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On Fri Mar 16 19:36:23 2001 JOHN V. (A/B) said:
HELLO ANITA.!!!!!! WELCOME BACK. JOHN V.
On Fri Mar 16 19:35:44 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Anita, Glad to see you back here. I have a new, not so new now, great-grandchild. He was born in June. He is a cutie!!! Everyone have a nice evening. Faye
On Fri Mar 16 19:09:03 2001 Anita (aeallman@piggott.net) said:
Hey, yall. Gordo eamiled me the url and here I am one more time. I have changed computers after a couple of crashes and when I checked for along time this wasn't online. Glad it is back for however long it has been. Have a new grandcritter to spoil, Logan Heath Allman, born Feb. 14, and is so precious. email me if you want a digital of the lil cutie was over there taking them today. I am doing very well as far as the blood sugar level is concerned and no migraines now for over a year. Jerry and I are even on a sensible diet together. I have missed so many of you hope you are all doing better. Bye for now, Love Anita
On Fri Mar 16 18:20:08 2001 JOHN V. (A/B) said:
I found this very interesting. Glandular,... many glandular diseases can be started by auto-immune responses. That is all-ready decided in the embryo. The developing embryo has three layers of cells; the ectoderm giving rise to skin and nerves, then the mesoderm, it becomes muscles, blood, arteries, veins and the heart. Now watch this!!! The third layer, the endoderm gives rise to the lining of the stomach and intestines and related glands and organs, including, YES the pancreas, thyroid gland and gastric parietal cells. It appears that the immune systems of some people, for reasons yet unknown, attack RELATED tissues. These are referred to as clusters. So, we have to watch out for thyroid disease and adrenal gland disease and any other related gland diseases as well. Not everybody reacts to this but many do. Something to think about. JOHN V.
On Fri Mar 16 17:57:30 2001 Bambi (bambilovestim@email.com) said:
Hi! If anyone still knows how to contact "Mystery Lady", will you please give her this email address? I lost contact with her several months ago when our dept IT guys (computer nazis) deleted all personal stuff from our office computers. Thanks! Have a nice weekend!
On Fri Mar 16 17:08:04 2001 CB () said:
Gordo: Well said! Your statement concerning fad diets is especially well-taken. Over the years, you have been a voice for reason and common sense. Please keep it up! RE fad diets, even the Slim-fast system is dangerous. Take care! CB
On Fri Mar 16 16:29:29 2001 () said:
DO NOT START TROUBLE JOHN!!!!!!!1PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!!!!!
On Fri Mar 16 16:28:15 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE CRYING ABOUT BEING HIGH
On Fri Mar 16 16:26:40 2001 JOHN V (A/B.) said:
Got my HGB A1C report this morning. It said to be 5.9 on 6 needles each day. Seeing all the trouble ( which I also have lot's of ) on here, I suppose this makes a good day for me. Marc W., I fully agree with you about your reply to Marc B. As you may remember I certainly got more than my share of all that also. All with all, I hope we can continue as we have been doing up to now. Sure nice to see all the good posts. JOHN V.
On Fri Mar 16 15:06:07 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
FAYE: You are absolutely right having been real close to death changes our perapective as to what is really important in this world. During the 2 1/2 months I spent in the hospital in '99 doctors gathered my family around my bed 5 different times to say goodbye. I made out my first will in the hospital bed with 2 very dear friends witnessing it. So even though it is frustrating to be in this wheelchair, it has been frustrating to not even be able to read traffic signs while riding with Jodi, another frustration not being able to drive these frustrations have just become bumps in the road. The important thing is that I'm here. I'm getting to see my grand kids and the new great grand son grow up. It's like Minnie Pearl used to say "I'm just so glad to be here!!" Herb (Bear)
On Fri Mar 16 14:10:46 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE KISSING
On Fri Mar 16 13:51:26 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Thanks Marc W. It is great to have such good feelings about being alive, even with the complications.. Maybe knowing that you were so very close to death, like I was, it changes your attitude about how to live your life without worrying all the time. What will be, will be!!!!is the attitude I have and I take just one day at a time---Yes I have been in contact with Gene. He got laid off from his job this winter and they are going to be moving to where Glady's sister lives in another state. I can't remember which one. Marie is doing pretty good. I e-mailed him last night and told him that we were up and running again on here. Maybe he will post.------PURPLE ONION You had better get to the Doctor very soon if you are having a bleed. I just got through having internal bleeding and we still don't know where it was coming from, but I almost died. You have symptoms and also can see blood in the stool. PLEASE GO BE CHECKED!!!!!!!!!
On Fri Mar 16 12:53:37 2001 Pam (bldgcontr@aol.com) said:
gordo, thanks for the timely posting. I had just finished reading a information sheet regarding vitamins curing diabetes that a friend sent. I dont know how many times I have bought a book at the store especially "self help" and expected that by reading the darn thing I would be cured, changed or sexier just by the reading of it. Sort of cure by osmosis. Nothings easy....damn..Guess we all have to do the work if we want results. Herb, we would all be rich if we could charge our dr. for time wasted in waiting rooms. Guess thats why they dont call them receiving rooms huh?
On Fri Mar 16 12:11:45 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
Just checking in and hoping everyone is doing ok. Herb, so sorry your day means starting over and rescheduling everything. That is a disappointment. Hang in there! Marc W. thanks for the new info on the infusion sets. I will be looking forward to that! Take care , Love and Luck, Misty
On Fri Mar 16 12:08:55 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Wow Herb, that sounds like one hell of a pair of glasses! I am with ya though, anything to see again. I went through that same sickening cycle, laser after laser after laser. I used to scream about the wait driving me crazy, so I know exactly what your talking about. I wish you luck on those lenses, hopefully you can get something out of them. I don't even come close to 20/25 with my glasses and cataract implant. Keep us posted about those and good luck. Vision is one precious SOB. I wish us (humans, well most of us) were smarter. I don't think we appreciate what we have until we lose it. I am not just talking vision, but basically we take life for granted, until something comes along to remind us that we might not keep what we got so we better get as much out of it as we can. I miss AUSSIE BOB, that man is great at showing us how good life can be under the most trying times. OK, time to shut up....
On Fri Mar 16 12:05:55 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
Jim: I take Glucophage (850 mg. 2x a day). I've not had any real problems with it as long as I take it with food. On an empty stomach, it can cause problems. Some people experience stomach cramps, pain, and other problems. This is a web site address where you can read more about it: http://my.webmd.com/drugs/asset/uspdi_patient/a_to_z/G You'll need to scroll down about 1/2 way on the page to find Glucophage. It's by Bristol Meyer; they are trying to phase it out for their new brand/drug, I think Glucotrol or something like that. Apparently, now the generics can start manufacturing copies of Glucophage and sell it cheaper. Hope this helps!
On Fri Mar 16 11:53:18 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
GORDON: I don't think it could be said better. We are all different and have different needs, not only nutritionally but mentally and psychologicly (SP) as well. I know that I have a very good friend that can't even go close to a sweet potato or yam without his blood sugar going absolutely crazy. Yet I can eat a medium sized one baked with the skin on and put some zero butter on it (liquid butter with 0 fat, 0 calories, 0 cholesterol and almost 0 flavor) and it does absolutely nothing to my blood sugar. Even though we are all so different I think it is very helpful for us to exchange info in our constant search for more things that will help with this disease. Keep on preach'n brother!! Herb (Bear)
On Fri Mar 16 11:45:52 2001 PurpleOnion (optional) said:
Thank you, Jim. That relieved my mind that it is not gastropareisis, which I am very afraid of. And I have made an appointment to see my internist on April 2. Again, Thank you.
On Fri Mar 16 11:41:03 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
MARC: I have had laser eye surgery every 3 months for over 2 years now. I needed to have my lenses changed when this whole cycle began but at each surgery they would say come back in 3 months and we will see if you can get new glasses yet. At each 3 month cycle I would require additional surgery and begin a new waiting cycle. Finally at this last surgery the Optomologist said wiat 6 weeks and go get your glasses. I knew I could not see but found out at the eye exam that my eyes were 20-400 & 20-600. I'm not sure whether the new glasses are something special or not but I've never heard of any one being prescribed like this before. The first pair will have 3 lenses and will focus from the end of my nose to about 10 feet. The second pair will have 4 lenses and will focus from 10 feet out to infinity. The eye doctor explained that they will require some getting used to, expecially the 4 lense pair. But after not hardly being able to see for 2 years I am convinced that I can get used to all most any thing. Herb (bear)
On Fri Mar 16 11:38:19 2001 Jim (as below) said:
Never been on insulin Marc, Type II on oral meds. Oh, about bifocals, I got my first set at 24 or 25 years old. Herb- As my Dad used to say, "There's better days a'comin'". Purple Onion- Check out: http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/gastro/gastro.htm Jim
On Fri Mar 16 11:33:48 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
CB: I have repeatedly said that nutrient balance should be encouraged for maximum benefit to the body. Some nutrients are harmful when injested in excess on a continuing basis. This is the falacy of many fad diets. They are effective in the short run at the expense of balance in other necessary nutrients. Did anybody see the Jenny Craig interview on NBC this morning. I am not familiar with her diet plan however I would guess that balance is not emphasized. She had a severe muscle disorder in her jaw and face. CB has been emphasizing the need for increased protein where muscle loss or needs for muscle building are necessary. My concern is for knowledgeable understanding of the necessity, actions and interactions of all nutrients. We, as diabetics, are the worlds worse to latch onto some cure-all scheme that will eliminate the need for willpower and understanding. If we took one tenth of the money we spend on overkill or fads, we could pay for the books, software, etc. to become very nutritionally wise and understanding. We are great readers and talkers but refuse to spend 20-40 bucks for a used nutrition textbook at a college bookstore. Jim Fultz: I don't know of any specific vitamins that are diabetic oriented. This is mainly because none of us are playing on a level field. CB's needs are different from mine, yours, fara's, Marc W.'s, Marc B.'s and all others. Each diabetic on here and off has different nutrient intakes and utilization. For instance, how much of Fara's immune system was used during her recent nearly catastrophic episode. Nutritional simplification is dangerous and can't be done on a blanket basis. Each one of us is different because of our intake and usage. My best advice is to learn what you need to know nutritionally and use this knowledge to understand your own needs. While checking, several vitamins can be taken in excess to one's harm. Others are influenced by conditions such as pregnancy. Self education is becoming more important each day with the changes occurring in the medical care field (HMO, etc). I think that I have an adequate understanding of my personal needs but of no one elses. Please be careful of curealls and fads, they are dangerous. Gordo.
On Fri Mar 16 11:27:32 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Hey Herb, you know what's good about a day like that? NOTHING! Seriously, you always have tomorrow. Atleast you got all the bad things out in one day. What is so special about those glasses, are they just regular corrective lenses or is there something different with them? Faye... you are remarkable. Your fasting is great, but your attitude is fantastic. I don't recall you sounding this way for a very long time. Whatever got you thinking this way, keep it up. Have you talked to Gene at all lately, I haven't heard from him in months. Jim, your on insulin, right? I think Glucophage, now remember I am the last person to get this info from, is a medication to help insulin sensitivity. It has a big time draw back of stomach problems. I have never been on it, but my doc spoke about it a few times. I know many people here are on it so hopefully they could fill in the blanks. Speaking on lenses, I have to go pick up my bifocals today. 33 and wearing bifocals, guess it could have been worse!CYA.... MarcW
On Fri Mar 16 11:12:33 2001 Herb (Bear} (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Yesterdays trip to OKC was extremely disapointing. The heart dr. cancelled and rescheduled at the last minute. The first of the 2 pair of glasses that was supposed to take my eyes from 20-400 & 20-600 to 20-25 were not ready. Our daughter Beth who is in the hospital with Mastocytosis is not doing well and the amputee support group meeting last night was a disaster. The speaker did not show and there were only 3 other people there beside Jodi and I. My bedtime blood sugar was 275. As usual when mine spikes suddenly because of stress it comes down just as quick as it went up, it was 107 pre-breakfast this morning. I'll close for now. All of you good people have a good day now, ya hear!! Herb (Bear)
On Fri Mar 16 10:56:05 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE ON PROZAC
On Fri Mar 16 10:12:54 2001 PurpleOnion (optional) said:
Are bloody watery stools a sign of diabetic gastropareisis(sp)?
On Fri Mar 16 10:11:47 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Good morning, Another great day here. Fasting this morning was 88. Felt OK.----Thanks Gordo for the reply. I got out all the information that you sent to me awhile ago and reread most of it last night. It refreshed my mind.---Marac W. I hope that you will be able to wear your new pump. Maybe your skin just needs to get use to it. Hi Misty, Gordo, Jim, Faith, and all the new ones posting here.
On Fri Mar 16 10:09:51 2001 Jim (as below) said:
No, Marc W. BS still running high for whatever reason. Going to Dr today. He's talking about Glucophage. I don't know much about it though. I remember that about Ray. Don't know him that well but I hope he comes back. I enjoyed his posts. Finally, I agree with your post entirely. I saw you take more abuse than anyone could possibly put up with, on the former "L", and yet you still came back to help people in need. Don't blame you at all for feeling the way you do. I just hope the "acid" attacks stop. A little humor goes a long way with our disease, but the nasty stuff is just uncalled for. Jim
On Fri Mar 16 09:51:22 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Opps... guess that was important enough to say 3 times, sorry about that. Jim, how's it going? getting those readings down? I don't think anyone survived their brackets last night. Massive upsets. I heard from Ray the other day, which reminded me I need to get back to him. If you remember he was a big time Flutie fan so I heard it from him! Take it easy, it's Julie's birthday so it's time to go make her breakfast..... MarcW
On Fri Mar 16 09:47:47 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Misty...thanks. I love this thing, it is sooo much easier then the softset, once it is in. But, I already seem to be getting irritated (red), so I might not get the success I wanted. My trainer said if that happens then we would switch out of Humalog before going off the pump, and I learned from the last time not to react to hard but to think through my options. I really really like pressing buttons versus shots. Did you see the part of my post about the Silhuoette inserter? They are coming out with this summer? Would make putting it in much easier, although I didn't find it too bad yesterday. MARC B...please read this and think about it before responding back to me. I don't care what is taking place here, I don't care what is being said. If it is anti sematic, so what, I still don't care. I won't fight anyone's battles here. I will ask this again, and for the last time, DO NOT GET ME INVOLVED. I will say this, the only common thing some of us have is diabetes, and if a person is uncivil to people, being diabetic is not a right to expect civility. If someone is being an Ahole, it aint because their sugars are high, it's because they are an Ahole.Diabetes is just a disease we have, it's not who we are. As for the e-mail, a high percentage of this board is blocked out of my e-mail, for this exact reason. Contrary to some beliefs here, I have a life to lead, and doing a decent job at that. I don't want to interupt that by getting involved in personal crap. I will offer any and all help here for diabetes on this board but for my own personal reasons, I will not take this stuff to e-mail. Thank you for understanding that.....Marc W. P,S, Hey Bambi.. how are you?
On Fri Mar 16 09:34:54 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning everyone. Hi Bambi. Marc- My brackets are trashed as well. At least KSU did good. That suprised me. How's it going with the pump? Gordo- Any thoughts on those vitamins I asked about? Hello Misty, Herb, Faye, CB, Michele! Anyone know if Ray is coming back? Jim
On Fri Mar 16 09:09:17 2001 Bambi (bambilovestim@email.com) said:
Hi Everyone! Hi Toad! I just read through the past couple of days and was glad to see that everyone seems to have filled in a lot of questions for you! HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN POTATOES?!?!? LOL!! Did you come up with some protein sources yet? Gordo, since Toad doesn't eat meat, would there be enough protein in wheat germ or protein powder if it were sprinkled on veggies?
On Fri Mar 16 08:56:15 2001 TO MARC B () said:
TO MARC B...I'M LEAVING FOR GOOD...NO I'M STAYING....NOW I'M LEAVING AGAIN...HERE IS SOME ADVICE FOR YOU:::EITHER LEAVE OR GO BUT SHUT UP AND QUIT ARGUING WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE CAN'T WIN WITH THEM. THEY THRIVE ON YOUR REACTION AND YOU SEEM TO ALWAYS GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT...WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THEY SAY?? THEY PICK OUT A SENSITIVE THING AND KEEP GOING. GET SOME THICKER SKIN AND QUIT RESPONDING LIKE A BIG BABY. ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS GET THIS CRAP IN EVERY DAY LIFE. IT'S NOT RIGHT BUT IT HAPPENS. SUE THEM IN COURT.
On Fri Mar 16 07:33:47 2001 () said:
I HAD A LOW ONCE WHILE BEING MORALLY ACCEPTABLE
On Fri Mar 16 07:31:47 2001 () said:
Pickeled eggs are anti-semite..???? good thing we did not suggest corned beef, raw fish or egg rolls.....put how about prozac ...Mr Bernstein....
On Fri Mar 16 03:36:35 2001 CB () said:
Gordo! It is great to see your informative posts again! Here is a question for you....If diabetes doesn't allow a high protein diet, would it not make sense to beef up the proteins eaten with amino acids and glutamine (also an amino)? If you can't handle two hyndred grams per day, it seems to make sense.
On Fri Mar 16 02:36:17 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
I thought I'd add a few further comments:Re:the unknown anti-semitic poster:You know,I don't care who this person is,but I do honestly believe that this kind of hateful and blithering bigoted garbage shouldn't be allowed to continue on this chat. Does being a diabetic make one more compassionate? I would think so,though this may not be always the case. And it isn't just the issue of behaving in an anti-semitic manner,this person's next target could be anyone,of any nationality,or religion! This kind of degrading and utterly insane remarks that this person seems to be making-lashing out at anyone-at will,well,how sad. Speaking with my diabetic nurse(type 1) she is on insulin daily,she believes that being diabetic,may make many diabetics not merely angry,but vindictive,and filled with uncontrollable bitterness towards other diabetics. A forum for diabetics may be the perfect place for a sick,and emotionally tormented person to tear anyone he feels like apart,without any logical reason. It seems to this diabetic,(and Jewish person) that perhaps "The American Diabetes Association" should be informed. Other organizations too,perhaps?? It simply isn't at all morally acceptable. There are certain standards of good taste,and of human dignity,and a limit must be placed here. E-mails are welcome.
On Fri Mar 16 01:44:29 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Marc W,you mentioned that you wanted to be kept out of this-that is your choice,I accept it. However,this type of horrid anti-semitic garbage is quite vile!! I fail to see a place for this on the chat. That's all. I had e-mailed you. If you wish,we can discuss this issue on e-mail only. I find reading this kind of degrading uncivilized inane trash a real turn off. And-this by the way is diabetic-related:to ignore this sort of thing without it raising bs,?? I realize you do not run the chat. I am appealing to you,as a fellow diabetic,and a human being(you are Jewish are not not?) that this is counter-productive,and degrades the purpose of the chat. This is the way I feel.
On Fri Mar 16 01:33:23 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
I'm sorry,but this is such pure anti-semitic garbage!! Offensive and utter vile hate-mongering attacks-well,what drives me crazy??-That an ant-semite can lash out in this manner,and not be censored!
On Fri Mar 16 01:07:19 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
I was going to comment,but I think I'll pass.
On Fri Mar 16 00:30:13 2001 () said:
Marc B...why don't you try pickeled eggs and hog feet juice....would at least keep you busy next day or two...
On Thu Mar 15 23:56:21 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Gordo,that sounds most sensible and pragmatic. I'll try it. I sometimes have some celery(with salt) I can't eat raw carrots:they make me choke(literally) I often eat a sliced pear at night. These are what the dietician tells me I am allowed to have at night:one diet yogurt,or one sugar free jello/or pudding,some rice crackers:plain/cheese,aside from 3-5 crackers and peanut butter+diet jam,(*not all at same time-to alternate every other night) or:a small bowl of shredded wheat cereal+1 per cent milk(have lactose allergy,so I can't have too much milk) I like the time limit she sets,plus setting it up in advance-helps to have an organized routine.
On Thu Mar 15 23:31:15 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Marc B. An excellent snack for breaking the hand to mouth disease most type 2's have is raw veggies, plain. I ate enuf broccoli and cauliflower when I was working on my early diagnosis control to end up with an unhappy wife due to the gut gas created by gut bacteria feeding on all of that non-digestable fiber but I sure was regular. (Side note to Marc W and Vinny-- and you guys thought I was full of it). Gordo
On Thu Mar 15 23:18:49 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Marc B. and Fara: Marc, All veggies do not convert at the same rate or amount of glucose resulting. Starches and root vegetables produce the most glucose. Green and yellow vegetables pruduce less glucose primarily because of their branched structure and the amount of fiber contained. Fiber is not digested and it slows down the conversion and uptake of glucose. I have yet to discover how to make a table of values on this site or in e-mail. I will list many vegetables giving the Carbohydrate value from a 6 ounce serving (more or less to cma) Chinese Cabbage= 2.7 grams; Asparagus = 3 grams; Bok Choy = 3.7 grams; zucchini = 4.1 grams; Broccoli = 4.7 grams; La Choy mixed veg = 6 grams; cauliflower = 7 grams; summer squash = 7.3 grams; tomato = 7.8 grams; mushrooms = 7.9 grams; leaf spinach, boiled = 9 grams; moo goo gai pan = 9 grams;sprouted mung beans = 10.1 grams; green beans = 13.4 grams; carrots = 17.2 grams; green peas = 24 grams; black eyed or crowder peas = 35.5 grams; flesh only of baked potato = 36.6 grams; ear corn = 37 grams; sweet potato,flesh = 42 grams; this is boiled without any additives for flavor or seasoning. Much can be accomplished with a few sprinkles of some of the herb mixes available at Walmart Super stores. Marc B. You benefitted due to your proximity (post) to my old friend Fara. I hope everybody benefits from this in some way. I realize that a 6 ounce serving of some vegetables makes quite a pile but at least you have the numbers for larger servings and even I can divide by 2 or 3. This is grams of carbohydrates and not carbs as per you carb counters. Now you do the arithmetic. Nothing is absolutely free except distilled water but as you can see, some are very low in carbohydrates. Also remember, vegetables are the only source of fiber aside from supplements. There are many very good nutrients in a lot of foods. This is why balance should be emphasized in good nutrition. From the above numbers, many different vegetables can be used in satisfying quantities to permit a proper balanced diet for any degree of physical activity from CB down to some of out nearly immobile diabetic family. We all need different amounts of a variety of nutrients to help our partially incapacitated bodies to function to its maximum efficiency. As Bambi so aptly put it the other day, our machine needs the best care we can give it. Gordo
On Thu Mar 15 22:41:36 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Forgot to add that when I eat(snack) at night,I read alot-and often,I lose track of both the time,and what/how much I'm eating. My dietician has really been inventive and of great assistance to me in this matter:told me to set whatever I wish to eat-(3-5 crackers/matza/cheese crackers/melba toast,etc) out in advance,with what I wish to place on it-(peanut butter/cheese-(low fat)-and then mark it down on paper-in a diary-limit my time to one hour. I have been doing that. It works-helps me to have some degree of control.
On Thu Mar 15 22:33:36 2001 Marc B. (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
At last. Tested 10 minutes ago;back on track once more. Bs now near normal range (non=fasting) for me:9.3. This has made me more aware of dangers of eating at night. I was given a helpful bit of advice,which seems to be working for me(unless I slip back) to eat certain things-like a few crackers(matza,etc) at night-with some sugar-free peanut butter+ a bit of sugar free jam(splenda) that (according to my dietician,will satisfy my need at night for a snack. When I have followed that guideline,it has enabled me to still help keep my sugars stable.
On Thu Mar 15 21:38:56 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
Hi to all! I surely hope we are not going to lose any one, we all have the right to be heard. Toad, please ask any questions, we all learn from them and for the old timers it helps refresh our memory. Marc W., Glad to hear you like the silhoutte. I had a hard time with the needle at first but now I do not think about it. I like how flat it lays on the skin and the reconnect just snapes in. Good luck !! Herb, so glad to hear they will try to improve your sight, my thoughts are with you. I had a bad low today, some times all the bad things line up and I have no control. This is a first in a long, long time. Back on track now. Faye, THAT IS GREAT NEWS!!!! Take time to celebrate! Take care all! Love & Luck, Misty
On Thu Mar 15 20:13:32 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
I tested tonight at my screening-bs is coming down again. 13.1. I guess last night when I had dessert(ice cream) that it raised my bs. I had been very attentive and strict. But I slipped back. Can't afford to do that again. I'm not sure,but think I read somewhere that parsnips may be high in sugar. (when I had them during Passover,I always had small amount.) I probably better cut down on carbs-eating too many potatoes(with dinners) trying to balance protein and carbs-Gordon-Question:do all carbs act same way on raising sugar? (I know potatoes act fast on the bs,carrots too? Slow acting vegies? (String beans,spinach,brocoli,If you would like me to send you some guidelines that I have been following(on advice of dietician/and doctor,I can e-mail you.)
On Thu Mar 15 18:52:17 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Good evening, Got a good report from the dr. today. All the biopsys were negitive. I knew they would be, but it was reassuring to hear it. Also lost 12 pounds.YEH!!!!!--Marc W. So glad that you have the pump. I know it was hard for you on the shots.---?GORDO, Are parsnips high in carbos? and what do I count them as, or should I leave them alone?
On Thu Mar 15 17:56:33 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Marc W,I understand. I'm not trying to rule the board either. On other matters,my blood sugars now are very high again. 18.1,last half hour they were 19.1. I will see my doctor tomorrow. I am scared about the highs.
On Thu Mar 15 17:39:47 2001 JOHN V (AB.) said:
Marc W,....I thought it was C before. Thank you for your offer and will certainly call on you when I get to the pump. What brackets are you talking about.? Something to do with the pump.? JOHN V.
On Thu Mar 15 17:27:51 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Marc B .. I don't own or operate this board, so I wouldn't tell anyone what to do here. I just asked not to be involved. John V... it's funny that you say shots don't bother you much, I lived about 20 years on shots and it didn't bother me because I didn't know any other way. Once I got off them and went back on, it made a big difference knowing what is was like to NOT be on them. I do hope this works because although I didn't like a few things about it, life is much better on the pump. Just my opinion, not trying to reopen that old conversation with you since I know how you feel. But if you ever find yourself wondering and want to talk about it again, I am always open for it. Remember, even when I went off of it I still was saying it was a great thing. On a more depressing subject, It looks like my brackets are trashed, 2 of my favorites lost already in the first round. Oh well.......Marc W.
On Thu Mar 15 17:05:39 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
It seems that my presence on this chat only creates trouble for others and myself. Therefore,I will take the other Marc W's advice:and stay off and out of the chat. The articles in Diabetes Forecast are very interesting to read,and I find them educational and of value. Esp the article about the actor Stephen Furst. It seems to be counterproductive for me to remain on the chat. I've tried my best "shot"(sorry) Good luck to all.
On Thu Mar 15 16:55:46 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
OO: I hope you meant 200 MG of magnesium. 200 grams would make a large pill to swallow. I agree about the yogurt but what size and brand do you eat. Gordo
On Thu Mar 15 16:55:28 2001 TO MARC C. (A/B) said:
Marc,.....congratulations on becoming a reborn pumper.!!!!! Hope it will all work out. For people with a busy life and young on top of that I think it is ideal. Of course it has to all work out OK. Sometime in the far future I may succomb to the pump also but don't mind the needles that much. I'm retired and at home most times and that also makes a difference. JOHN V.
On Thu Mar 15 16:48:35 2001 () said:
MARC B
On Thu Mar 15 16:47:42 2001 () said:
MARB B I MENT YOU
On Thu Mar 15 16:13:18 2001 Marc (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
I don't care who says what to whom, I decided if I come back here I mind my own business. Just so I can stay out of it all, please Marc B use the B and when referencing Marc B use the B so I don't get brought into this by accident. Thank you, that would be much appreciated. as for me, I am back on the pump as of an hour ago. Man those Silhuoettes are SO EASY to use. And Minimed said they are coming out with a machine like the softserter for the Silhuoettes. Either way it just feels more comfortable. Now only time will tell. .....Marc W.
On Thu Mar 15 15:35:16 2001 Marc (same as before) said:
Thank you,but I am fine. There is nothing wrong with me except for the side effects of taking my oral diabetic pills,plus as I'm sure you are aware:diabetes does affect each of us diabetics in emotional ways too. Have you read the book:"Words That Harm,Words That Heal"? By a noted American Rabbi. No,I am not at all trying to place religion on here. But I have the book,I read it often. It is a scholarly and sensitively written book. Full of interesting stories. Esp the one about an actor(He was told:When you are angry,to other people you may seem and look derange.") end of sermon. I would think this does apply to diabetics too,would you not agree? The more angry you are,the worse for your bs,plus blood pressure. Emotions,esp in diabetics with unstable bs,(like me) need to not let their nerves or emotions get to them. I hope you see my viewpoint.
On Thu Mar 15 15:33:00 2001 O (OO) said:
Try low-fat yogurt, 13gm. carb 6gr. protein Also I have found that 200 grs of MAGNESIUM really helps me. 95% of the adult poulation has a magnesium defisency and it is cheap to buy
On Thu Mar 15 15:14:14 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Toad: Green and yellow veggies are good for several reasons. The fat is what you add in preparation. They are good for many minerals and vitamins depending on the preparation. Fifty pounds weight loss in 6 weeks is far too fast. Most wieght loss programs are built around 1 1/4 to 2 # per week. Unless much of it was stored water, after looking at what your said you eat, I would agree with CB's way of thinking that much of your weight loss was from muscle loss which can be harmful. There are very small amounts of protein in veggies and fruits. However, cold water fish are an excellent source of both protein and essential polyunsaturated fatty acids necessary for LDL cholesterol removal from the cells. Skinless breast of chicken and turkey (roasted or broiled) also provide good protein. Milk is also a good source of protein however you have to watch the sugars. Soy milk has almost as much protein, less than half the carbohydrate, and an excellent balance of polyunsaturated and mono unsaturated fats mixed with tolerable saturated fats. One necessary nutrient that gets shorted on many weight loss plans are a balanced blend of fats of which some are essential ( the body can't synthesize them). We need a minimum or 15% of our calorie intake to be a balance of fats. Veggies are considered by many as a free food, depending on the preparation. The unbranched starches like potatoes, beets, sweet potatoes, corn, carrots are viewed differently. These must be selected for other nutrients not available elsewhere. Tofu is also an excellent source of protein however preparation is very important. If fried, use only a light spray of canola oil. I hope this helps you. Gordo
On Thu Mar 15 15:05:15 2001 () said:
I SWEAR, NO OFFENCE, YOU SHOULD SEE A PSYCHIATRIST FOR HELP
On Thu Mar 15 15:02:59 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Herb,thank you. I'll stay on the chat. It is hard,though,to keep on going,if some nameless insulting poor misanthropic poster seems to just want to stir up a hornet's nest. You are right,Herb. I want to help other diabetics on the chat,share my diabetic experiences,help if I can. I am also a good listener. I have lived with this (type 2) for 11 years. It has been a long and hard journey. I haven't mastered sellf-discipline;I wonder if any diabetic really is able to. Right now,I feel quite well. Simply that the extra Avandia is causing alot of cramping. Obviously,*(and diabetic related) I don't want to be in and out of the washroom,when I'm projecting films at the screening room. Other than take extra imodium,and talk with my doctor,I don't know how much longer I can stay on it.
On Thu Mar 15 14:58:31 2001 CB () said:
Michele, the minimum requirements for males are ,8 gm/kg bodyweight. This is NOT for optimum health, It is a minimum. A sedentary person, however, may be able to get by on this. Another point, females do not need as much as men.
On Thu Mar 15 14:50:58 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
MARC: Just don't listen!!!! Herb (Bear)
On Thu Mar 15 14:45:01 2001 () said:
MARC,....PLEASE STOP WHINING
On Thu Mar 15 14:39:29 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Good afternoon John. We are almost ready to walk out the door. My doctors appointment was cancelled by the dr. and we can't get in to see Beth until late this afternoon. The amputee support group meeting isn't until 7 this evening so at least we did not have to leave early this morning. Toad, listen to John and Michele they are giving you some very good advice. Marc, don't leave us. If we can't support each other then what good is it to have a site like this. He just obviously needs something that we have not found a way to provide yet. Unless that something is to destroy this site once again and we can't let that happen. Herb (Bear)
On Thu Mar 15 14:26:12 2001 JOHN V (AB.) said:
Toad,....the most important thing for you, I feel, is to read these postings as a habit on a daily basis. And there are many more places you can go also. Michele is very right about seeing a dietician to learn more and get you going in the right direction. It's one of the first things you should do. Look into the Joslin Diabetes Center Website for a lot of info. Good morning all you good looking people.!!!!! After many weeks of sunshine here, it was raining and it is a dark day. I can't stand dark days very well, they are depressing on me. However it is said that every cloud has a silvery lining. Have been looking for the silvery linings but there are none here this morn. The ankle ulcer must have taken up permanent residence after being here for about 15 weeks,I start to forget how long it is now. The other two small ones I have tried every thing on but the kitchen sink so far. (that's next.) They also like to stay but don't seem to grow, just sit there, the..... This becomes irritating in particular on a dark day. JOHN V.
On Thu Mar 15 14:18:24 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
To 0,or whoever you may be:If you want me BANNED FROm THE DIABETIC CHAT,YOU CAN,FROM NOW ON,CONSIDER ME BANNED,OK? I did NOT COME ON TO this CHAT to read insults by you in a personal manner!! I have been subscibing to "Diabetes Forecast",Published By "THE AMERICAN DIABETES ASSOCIATION",and I have found the magazine most helpful. Thanks for your??Good wishes,and have a nice day. Goodbye.
On Thu Mar 15 14:12:28 2001 Michele (in MN) said:
I do not know the minimal protein requirements for males so I am unalbe to state those. Gordo - Do you know that number?
On Thu Mar 15 13:53:39 2001 Marc Bernstein (same as before) said:
To whoever you are?? You want to Ban me from this chat?? Go Ahead!!
On Thu Mar 15 13:41:10 2001 Michele (in MN) said:
I do not know the minimal protein requirements for males so I am unalbe to state those. Gordo - Do you know that number?
On Thu Mar 15 13:33:53 2001 Michele (in MN) said:
Toad - I realize you addressed your question to Bambi but can I give it a shot? No pun intended. Protein comes in many forms. Cheese, milk, legumes, nuts (however they have a high fat content), chicken, fish, pork,beef, turkey, etc. Start by reading the labels on different foods. You will find many foods that have some protein in them. Minimal requirements of protein for sedate females is .8g/kg of body weight. An eight ounce glass of skim milk has 8g of protein & 13g of carbohydrates. 1 egg has 8g of protein and 1g of carbs. The difference between the two is the added carbs in milk, which need to be counted in your daily allowances. The fruit: Usually the equivalent of about 1/2 c of most fruits equals 15g of carbs. A dietician to teach you the beginnings of carb counting is a great benefit. This whole dietary things seems overwhelming at first but really does become second nature after a while. Keep asking question until you understand it. Your not a bother.
On Thu Mar 15 12:49:03 2001 () said:
Please don't stir a hornets nest HERB!!!!!!!!!!
On Thu Mar 15 12:43:34 2001 () said:
Herb,...I think it is more that one person acting like a idiot.
On Thu Mar 15 12:37:52 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Hey (): So what if Marc and CB want or need a little attention?? We all need and want attention. I believe that if you turned your analytical powers around and practiced some self analysis you would find that one of the reasons for your non-sensical postings is that you crave attention. And failing in getting it with your earlier postings you are resorting to attacks and trying to stir up a controversy. I have tried to communicate with you several times all to no avail. What about it, why don't you just come on here and tell us what is really bugging you and let us support even if we can't help you??? Come on, give it a try!!!! Herb (Bear)
On Thu Mar 15 12:37:17 2001 Toad () said:
Bambi, Thank you. Thank you. You're the first voice of reason I've been about to understand. If you wouldn't mind another question? I very rarely eat red meats. It is honestly hard for me to put them in my mouth. Eggs turn my stomach and it's the quickest way for me to empty my stomach there is. Can I eat more steamed (and boiled) green veggies at a meal to make up for the protien of the meat? I'm not trying to be difficult, honestly. I've been trying (against Dr. orders) to walk a little. I fell at work in July and blew my right knee and to stand or walk for more than 10 min. leaves my lower leg and foot numb and freezing. So I am basicly walking from neighbor's porch to porch up the street three or four houses and back. :+) Also, can you tell me if fruits are out? I was eating a cup of fresh melon/apple/banana for breakfast with a slice of wheat toast and my coffee. I tried to eat cheerieos or rolled oats but that shoots my BT # up into the 200's? Sorry to be such a bother. I feel childish after reading the posts and realizing I'm one of the few here with so little knowledge. Thank you again.
On Thu Mar 15 12:17:50 2001 () said:
Dear Admin !! can we have CB and poor Marc B. banned now....???
On Thu Mar 15 12:12:26 2001 () said:
Dear Admin !! can we have CB and poor Marc B. banned now....???
On Thu Mar 15 12:01:49 2001 () said:
Hey 11:42:29, Play nice or get the hell out of the sand box!!!
On Thu Mar 15 11:42:29 2001 Not important () said:
CB rambles about his weight lifting for the same reason Marc Bernstein rambles about his pathetic self - attention seeking. Suggest you just scroll through their posts.....
On Thu Mar 15 11:42:08 2001 () said:
I LOVE JESUS AND HE LOVES YOU
On Thu Mar 15 11:31:18 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE SQUATTING OVER MY FAVOURITE TOY
On Thu Mar 15 10:14:06 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
What a beautiful, sunny, warm, morning here in NH this morning. Makes you want to open the windows and doors to bring in the fresh air.But it isn't that warm yet. This is the lull before the storm. Another one predictid for tomorrow. My BS fasting this morning was 147. I am OK with that. I know that I am eating the right foods and in the right amounts. Today I find out if I can have my salads again and if I can go on the treadmill for a 15 minutes at a slow speed to start. I hope so. Have lost another 3 pounds. I am glad to see some of the "old" folks posting. But where is Anita and Ruth, Scott, and Bob and Diane from down under? Scott may be snowed in where he lives in the east like me!!!!!!!!!
On Thu Mar 15 08:44:02 2001 () said:
TO CB DON'T UNDERSTAND PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE
On Thu Mar 15 00:53:41 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Well,for the first time in a long while tonight,I tested my bs:(after supper) it was 8.1. I am really feeling much better. My doctor was concerned and pleased with me;he has added extra dose in morning of Avandia. I am being alot more careful with my diet,and try to count carbs more carefully. I have been advised by my diabetic dietician to balance things with more protein when I eat. I can't lift weights-doctor advises against it-occassional heart palpitations,plus spinal cord fused-end of spine(curvature of spine) I am told to do more walking. sometimes I get shooting pains in legs,if I walk too fast,or too hard. (I feel it in my spine too)
On Thu Mar 15 00:37:51 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Tomorrow we return to OKC for the 4th time in 2 weeks. Our middle daughter Beth is in the hospital with her Mastocytosis and tomorrow night is our amputee support group meeting. We have quite literally become the Road Warriors. Herb (Bear)
On Thu Mar 15 00:04:34 2001 CB () said:
_nly once will I [pst this...to (), what is wrong with you? Lows are not funny. Most of ud here have had bad ex[eriences with them. Humour is fine, just keep it in good taste please.

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