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On Wed Oct 24 18:30:01 2001 () said:
Sabrina, ask your diabetic educator
about which to take, some interact with your RX meds...do not just rely on what
CB tells you...
On Wed Oct 24 18:11:14 2001 sabrina () said:
what kind of vitamin did you
recomend cb? i'm thinking of going on vitamins, but not sure which to go on.
there are so many different brands. do you know of any that are good for growing
back hair?
On Wed Oct 24 16:41:14 2001 () said:
NOTICE HOW FAITH COMES TO EVERY ONES
DEFENSE WITH SOME CUTE STORY {LIE} TO SOME ONES LIAR POST????????SHAME
On Wed Oct 24 16:32:59 2001 () said:
Dear Faith...we think you are not
truthful....or are in bed with CB
On Wed Oct 24 16:14:29 2001 () said:
15.55.06 was marc w -- once again due
to no education he confused 'then' with 'than' -- dumb-ass anyway.......
On Wed Oct 24 15:55:06 2001 () said:
I would rather read nasty AP posts then
to have to suffer through another CB post.
On Wed Oct 24 15:31:53 2001 . (.) said:
Will agree that CB has far greater
knowledge regarding nutrition, diet, and exercise than most people, and sadly,
many medical professionals. However, more often than not he is unable to
communicate this information WITHOUT being offensive! If he thinks the way to
get people to listen to him is to belittle and offend, he is woefully mistaken.
I have occasionally seen him post with sensitivity, but again, more often than
not, he chooses to fire words as weapons.
On Wed Oct 24 15:20:03 2001 Faith () said:
CB- I thought you might be
interested in this. Recently when I saw my doctor I showed him one of your posts
on the same theme as you have posted today and in the last few days. He said
that you were right on the track. He was not offended at all when I related how
you said a lot of doctors are not trained as well as they should be on
nutrition. He urged me to take the very type of vitamins you have mentioned.
Thanks for all the worthwhile info you give us. I wish I could state I could do
the things you can in exercise. Keep at us!!
On Wed Oct 24 14:38:48 2001 () said:
CB....for the new people on here would
you please start posting a notice ..that says AUTHOR OF THIS POST HAS A
PATHOLOGICAL HATRED OF MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS !! THIS INFORMATION MAY CAUSE DEATH
OR DISABILITY !,....kind of like a pack of cigs...huh CB....
On Wed Oct 24 14:29:45 2001 CB () said:
Herb, almost missed your post in
responding to an AP. Stretching does result in soreness, especially if you
stretch muscles that haven't been stretched for years. Great idea with the hand
squeezers!
On Wed Oct 24 14:20:53 2001 CB () said:
4:17:37 Say after me: Carbs and fat
are all I need, Carbs and fat are all I need. Carbs and fat are all I need. A,
C, D, E, K, B1. B2, B5, B12, Niacin, Calcium, I don't need. Listen idiot, I did
not say to quit the CDE, nor did I say stop seeing doctors! You need to know
your body and listen to it so you know exactly what you need nutritionally. Ya
know what? I can still do heavy squats at over 50 years of age. I am not
suggesting EVERYBODY do this, although I like the thought! What I am saying is
diabetics tend to be undernourished in lacking sufficient vitamins, minerals,
and phytonutrients. Complications can force undernourishment. Apart from those,
I will stick with what I said.
On Wed Oct 24 12:29:31 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
FAITH: You
have made the right decision with regards to your Mother. The care of Alzheimers
patients is a very specialized field of care giving. And despite a families love
for the patient they seem to be the least capable of providing the level of care
that the patient requires. There are so many of our elderly that have this
disease that in the OKC area there are 2-3 nursing homes that specialize in the
care of Alzheimers patients. I don't know if you have any in the San Antonio
area but it might be worth checking into. CB: I failed to mention in my post
earlier that while we were in OKC we went to my monthly amputee support group
meeting. Our speaker was a lady that teaches Yoga. I could not do any of the
standing or the floor exercises but was able to do all the seated stretching and
breathing exercises. Despite all her assurances that Yoga is a low impact form
of exercise I was a little sore afterwards, but felt a lot better. Jodi and I
are going to get a book and start doing some of the exercises on a regular
basis. When I was repairing the fishing rods for the Tulsa grand kids for the
trip to Greenleaf I realized how weak my hands are. They would literally cramp
after I used them just a little. I have ordered one of those hand squeezers to
exercise them some. With the boys help I am getting ready to build a work bench
in the garage where I can once again tie flies, wrap fishing rods, and reload
ammunition. It would be a shame if my hands would not let me do these things. I
will have to get one of those round lights with the magnifying lens in the
middle to mount on the bench in order to see what I am doing. You mentioned
potasium (SP) in one of your recent posts. I take 8 big horse pills of it evry
day to replace what I lose due to the 8 pills of Demedex that I take to insure
that my kidneys stay flushed out. Herb (Bear)
On Wed Oct 24 11:04:56 2001 () said:
IT TAKES GUTS TO SAY JESUS computer
virus
On Wed Oct 24 10:15:51 2001 JESUS (JESUS) said:
JESUS
On Wed Oct 24 09:46:47 2001 Faith () said:
Thanks for the comments regarding
my mother. To 11:13:13, don't you think that I would love to have my Mother with
me, but my mother-in-law is 80 years old and barely takes care of herself, much
less be able to take care of someone else. One of my nieces was wanting to take
care of Mother at her home, but after much prayer and soul-searching, I told her
that just wouldn't be feasiable. That is a 24-7 job, and mother is pretty much
convined to a wheelchair and is starting to get very hard to handle. I just pray
she can go home to the Lord soon, she would not like the kind of life she has
now. Sometimes I can sense she is so frustrated and tired, but she is not able
to communicate that. I never dreamed we would have to face something like this.
You all take care and have a great day.
On Wed Oct 24 04:17:37 2001 () said:
Lets all stop seeing our diabetic
educators and just do with CD does with his hate of the medical
profession....
On Wed Oct 24 01:44:10 2001 CB () said:
Funny thing about these APs, they
attack, but won't discuss where they MIGHT be wrong.
On Wed Oct 24 01:39:04 2001 CB () said:
To AP Oct 22 16:44:50 What the DE
did NOT say was potassium is needed to synthesize proteins from amino acids,
which must happen if cuts are to heal, muscle to be repaired after hard work,
among other things. BTW, my vitamin supplement has 99 mg of potassium. Same old
vitamin deficiency.
On Wed Oct 24 01:04:38 2001 Connie () said:
Sorry 'bout the long post....my
computer show my print being way smaller.... Connie
On Wed Oct 24 01:03:45 2001 (Cmart74@aol.com) said:
Faith: My husbands
grandmother lived in a nursing home for 5 yrs. with Alzheimers' and was cared
for by his widowed mother for 3 yrs before that. It's a very taxing job. We
tried to get mom to have her cared for in a skilled facility when MeMa (That's
what we called her) got irrational and started throwing punches when she got
frustrated or disoriented. It took her falling and breaking her hip to get her
in a facility. I know it sounds cold, to those not living in this situation. But
it truly takes skilled caregivers to care for these patients on a 24 hr. basis.
MeMa finally passed away last month at age 87. Mom & I went to see her the
day before. She had stopped eating because she didn't know how to chew. Thank
God while she was still lucid she signed DNR and no extrodinary means papers so
she didn't have to suffer the indignity of being fed with a tube. It was very
sad indeed when she passed. But our grieving really had already been done a long
time ago when she didn't recognize us anymore. There was relief that her pain
was ended and the confusion and fog lifted when she went to be with our heavenly
Father. You hang in there and just keep on the nursing facility to make sure
things are done right by your Mom. We had to make a report with the State
Ombudsman to get them to start changing Mema's diapers more often and not just
when it was convenient. She got much better care when they saw we weren't going
away, and stayed on top of things. Stress is a problem for B/S for sure...it's
sure been an indicator for my state of mind, and a wake up call to just lay it
on the Lord and let him carry it for me. It works when I remember to do so.
Anyway, 4th day on Actos and my B/S was 154 2 hrs after dinner. It was a
rehearsal for Thanksgiving. I had turkey and stuffing and gravy and squash. All
withing very moderate amounts. Very satisfying and not the bloatedness of being
overstuffed. I've been Carb counting (starting today) and hopefully it will get
easier as I adjust to it. I was surprised how satisfied I was after lunch and
had to remember to eat a snack because I didn't feel too hungry but didn't want
that starving feeling by supper. I've been eating 45 cabs per meal. I'l let you
know how it works out. Gordo: Are you back in town? Well I gotta run get my dtr.
some cold medicine so she can go to bed.... Nite all Connie
On Tue Oct 23 23:40:33 2001 Anita (aeallman@piggott.net) said:
Good evening
everyone, blood sugar was 110 this morning and hasn;t been above 134 all day.
Yeah for diet and exercise. Hope the mountain top can continue and do definitely
feel better than was feeling. am having some numbness in left hand but can feel
those cysts in upper palm that we sometimes have and that are correlated with
carpel tunnel. Hey, with everything else in fairly good working order, that is a
small enough problem. We have had hi 70's all day here and the challenge to walk
is still going strong, hope yall have a good evening rest and a good tomorrow.
love Antia
On Tue Oct 23 18:04:46 2001 () said:
WHAT DID JESUS EAT ?
On Tue Oct 23 16:53:47 2001 () said:
JESUS LOVES ME.HE ALSO LOVES EACH AND
EVERY ONE OF YOU.EVEN THE NONBELIEVERS.GO TO JESUS TO EASE YOUR
SUFFERING!!!!!!!!!!!
On Tue Oct 23 15:18:39 2001 () said:
REDBONE
On Tue Oct 23 12:49:21 2001 () said:
SUKZ
On Tue Oct 23 12:48:19 2001 () said:
AL QAEDA
On Tue Oct 23 12:08:04 2001 () said:
COWARDS
On Tue Oct 23 11:54:49 2001 () said:
STEVE AT 11:18 FINALLY POSTS SOMETHING
WORTHWHILE WITHOUT ATTACKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Tue Oct 23 11:18:31 2001 Been there... (none) said:
Faith: please forgive
the AP, but I just wanted to comment on your last post. I hope things at your
Mom's nursing home improve very soon. Alzheimer's is such a devastating disease
and the patients deserve the same dignity as everyone else. I feel for you
because I've been there. My guess is someone will slam you for not having your
mother live with you -- but the fact is, you are doing the right thing by having
her in a controlled, monitored environment. Hopefully, the food and cleanliness
will improve rapidly. I'm sure you will continue to advocate for her (and the
other residents) well-being. It's a tough ride for the family, that's for
sure.
On Tue Oct 23 11:13:13 2001 () said:
LET HER MOVE IN ANY WAY FAITH. MAKE
YOUR MOTHERINLAW CARE FOR HER!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Tue Oct 23 10:28:23 2001 Faith () said:
Herb, you go man! You are, as
Faye said, an inspiration to us all. Am still trying to get morning BG's down.
My mother, who is in an assisted living facility because of Alzeheimers, is
really on my mind. The worry I have for her is starting to really give me a lot
of stress. Now, they have a young man working there as the cook, and he CAN'T
COOK. Saturday he served them a slab of hamburger meat he called meatloaf, a
slice of bread and sliced nearly raw potatoes with what looked like cheese-wiz
poured over them. That was it! No salad, no vegies! Then last night when I went
by to see her they were being served, two slices of bread, a spoon ful of
crumbled up hamburger meat and a leaf of lettuce. Oh, some mayo and mustard. I
could'nt believe it! So, this morning I called and talked to the new director.
She said she was aware, and promised he would be gone soon. Can you imagine
feeding seniors like that? I also complained about her rooms not being kept
clean. Oh, how I wish I could bring her to my home and take care of her. But, I
have to work and my mother-in-law already lives w/us. You all take care, will
check back in later!
On Tue Oct 23 09:26:58 2001 ACHMED TULIJANI (TULIJANI@HOTMAIL.NET) said:
I
DIABETTIC.VIAGARA HELP ME WITH ERECKSION PROBLEMS.ECKSPENCIVE YES BUT WORTH IT
TO LOVER AND ME.C U ACH.
On Tue Oct 23 04:33:27 2001 () said:
WOW CB......I SURE WISH YOU COULD BE MY
DOCTOR....
On Tue Oct 23 02:50:41 2001 CB () said:
Herb, I need to say my harsh posts
were only directed at the AP's, not you. Sorry to read of your edema problems. I
appreciate your good attitude! God bless you.
On Tue Oct 23 02:48:12 2001 Squats () said:
#3 to APs, get a nutrition book
and look at the symptoms of vitamin deficiency, then evaluate your diet. You
will then find that least some of what you chalk up to diabetes is from vitamin
and mineral deficiency. Every Diabetic, including me, should have a nutrition
reference book.
On Tue Oct 23 02:41:11 2001 CB () said:
16:44:50 Renal problems? How severe?
In cases of ESRD, your DE is right. You need to ask her when restrictions of
these foods is called for. You have to be more specific. "Renal problems" covers
a wide range of symptoms...from elevated creatinine to proteinuria to ESRD. (No,
I will not say what that is, you probably do not know.) Ya know what, YOU are
probably undernourished.
On Tue Oct 23 02:25:56 2001 CB (Squats) () said:
In response to the
incompetent idiots who attacked my post, not all Diabetics have severe renal
problems, therefore those who don't need not avoid those foods! Second, my
comment about the personal trainer is true. Personal, I see my physical training
and sufficient nutrient intake as a way to avoid serious health difficulties.
Carotenes, for example, aid in healing. Pop a capsule of Theragran, you get
little, if any. The body cannot absorb it! It is equally true that MD's DO NOT
have a lot of nutritional training. Also, the doc should be followed in areas of
insulin and oral meds. That, he or she DOES know. Tell you what APs, eat a diet
of whie bread, a little milk, and margarine w/6 oz meat daily while avoiding
carrots broccoli, spinach, cauliflower, oranges, tangerines, yams, squash,
cucumbers, leaf lettuce, and tell me how you do!
On Mon Oct 22 22:22:34 2001 fara aka Faye (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Just to clarify what I said in the previous post. My sugars have dropped to
52 and lower but never at night like that
On Mon Oct 22 22:19:30 2001 fara aka Faye (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
It
has been awhile since I have posted. Have been very busy doing my family
genealogy. HERB--You give me strength and courage when I feel that I can't take
much more. You are an inspiration to all of us that know the struggles of this
terrible disease.--- Glad to see Anita and Connie posting. ANITA, you are doing
fantastic. I lost your e-mail as well as Connie's when I got my new computer. Hi
to the rest of the gang!! I go for my next laser treatment Wednesday. I am not
looking forward to it at all now that I know how it is done. The needle into the
eyeball hurts like H---. I woke up at 1:30 the other morning shaking like crazy.
My sugar had dropped to 52. It had never happened before and I was here all
alone as hubby was in Virginia visiting his nephew and family with his sister. I
took the portable phone in my bathrobe pocket and got some sweets, apple crisp,
that my daughter had made, no juice in the house. I ate the crisp, made some
toast and a glass of milk. Stayed up for an hour to make sure I was ok before I
went back to bed. I know it scared me. I have been checking my sugars before I
go to bed now and if I am under 120 I have a glass of milk.
On Mon Oct 22 19:10:46 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Why can't
you, he, she, it, they, grant us just a little peace. I don't mind being
referred to as Ma and Pa Kettle. They were very real down to earth people. I
don't know about the "Friends" reference since I have never watched "Friends".
But, I reserve the right to celebrate when some good things happen and nothing
you can do will dull that for me. There has not been a whole lot of good things
happen in our lives for a few years. We started out 4 years ago by losing a 6
year old grandson to a very rare genetic disease that runs in families. Now his
mother, our middle daughter is in the final stages of the same disease and our
youngest daughter has been diagnosed with it. 2 years ago I was given 2-3 years
to live. Jodi and I vowed that we were going to do everything in our power to
make memories for each other and for our kids and grand kids. I am a brittle
diabetic, with congestive heart failure (42% of the function left)(70% of the
pacing being done by the pacemaker) 90% arterial blockage in my right arm and
left leg. I have rythm (SP) problems and have an ICD implanted in my chest along
with the pacemaker to correct any rythm problems that may develop.I am losing my
eyesight. I have 20/400 in my right eye and 20/600 in my left. I totally lost
kidney function when in the hospital and the majority of it came back. With the
kidney problems and the congestive heart failure I have to have my left leg
wrapped with Ace bandages from the toes to the hip every day or it swells
tremendously from the edema and develops the diabetic ulcers. We have to
maintain a measured in and out on all of the liquid I consume and pass. My diet
is considerably more restricted than most diabetics due to the heart and
kidneys. Despite the fact that my height is 6 foot 2 inches I have always had
short legs (31 inch inseam) and arms. With all the weight I gained when they put
me on insulin in the hospital and all the liquid I retain I am huge.
Consequently I can't reach my own butt to wipe when I have a bowel movement. If
you truly want to experience something that is humiliating and degrading try
having your wife do that for you!!! I have sleep apnea and have to sleep with a
face mask on that provides a measured amount of air flow. And I have to sleep
with my left leg (my only leg) elevated 12 inches higher than my body on a wedge
pillow. This means that I have to sleep the entire night on my back. I can't
roll over or move during the night. Believe me I am not asking for sympathy for
any of these problems. But I do and always will maintain my right to celebrate
when something good happens in my life. Also I know that there are some people
on here that celebrate with me whenever this happens. Herb (Bear)
On Mon Oct 22 17:28:36 2001 () said:
Don't many diabetics have kidney
problems..?? I thought we had to be careful about salt and potassium and those
foods..?
On Mon Oct 22 16:48:15 2001 () said:
RIGHT ON 16:44!!!!!CB DONT TELL THESE
NEWBIES THAT THOUGH,,,,,JUST HIS DIET OF DEATH!!!!!!!!!!
On Mon Oct 22 16:46:41 2001 () said:
HEY,,,,,10:16 WAS EITHER CB OR
GORDO....PROBABLY BOTH...THEY ARE "IN BED TOGETHER" SELLING THEIR NUTRITION
BARS!!!!!!!!
On Mon Oct 22 16:46:40 2001 () said:
CB TOLD US ONCE THAT HE COULD HAVE BEEN
A DOCTOR BUT CHOSE TO WORK IN A FACTORY INSTEAD
On Mon Oct 22 16:44:50 2001 () said:
Spinach, broccoli and tomatos are food
to be avoided by anyone with renal problems because of high amts of potassium
and phospates....my DE told me....
On Mon Oct 22 16:43:22 2001 () said:
CB=RETARD
On Mon Oct 22 16:41:59 2001 () said:
THERE GOES CB AGAIN TELLING DIABETICS
ON A SUPPORT SITE TO THROW AWAY THEIR DOCTORS ADVICE FOR SOME KIND OF 'VOODOO'
HEALING!!!!!!!HOW IRRESPONSIBLE....I MEAN REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!WE ARE NOT WEIGHT
LIFTERS HERE CB YOU FATHEAD!!!!!!
On Mon Oct 22 16:32:01 2001 Squats () said:
AMEN!!! to 10:16 Doctors are NOT
highly trained in nutrition, Neither are many rd's, seeing they can't relate to
the demands of real life. Personal trainers I know have done a better job
stabilizing diets for diabetics than the rds. Their charts are geared for the
sedentary, but are less than ideal. Another tip: hungry between meals, mix
organic greens together, including raw spinach. Add cauliflower, broccoli, and
cherry tomatoes. Add an ounce or two of goat cheese for flavor. Use dressing of
choice with a couple of whole wheat crackers. Filling and healthy!
On Mon Oct 22 15:44:29 2001 Faith () said:
Herb, BTW, I meant to address you
and Jodi as Ma & Pa Kettle! Is that sorta like getting dubbed Mother Faith.
Love these names we keep getting!
On Mon Oct 22 15:42:44 2001 Faith () said:
Herb, I'm so happy to hear about
yours and Jodi's good doctor reports. I stand in awe of how well you are doing
compared to when you first came on here. It also doesn't surprise me that you
and Jodi have so many young people drawn to you two. I'm no young person and I'm
drawn to you. You are an example to us all. BTW, the men and women are still
here that I was telling you about. They are feeding two meals a day to displaced
people and to the volunteers that are there cleaning up. They have switched
teams once already. It's just great to have them parking in our church parking
lot.
On Mon Oct 22 14:35:15 2001 () said:
SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THOSE STUPID LETTERS
SOME PEOPLE SEND OUT TO LET THE RELATIVES KNOW EVERY WONDERFUL THING THAT HAS
HAPPENED...
On Mon Oct 22 13:39:05 2001 . (.) said:
Anyone else think it sounds like Ma
and Pa Kettle (aka Herb and Jodi)had thanksgiving dinner with Chandler from
"Friends".
On Mon Oct 22 13:04:49 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Hi y'all.
We got back last night from OKC. The drs. appointments went well, marvelous,
fantastic, terrific, wonderful, fabulous, great, etc. etc. My 3 month average BS
was 121 which thrilled the dr. He cut my Avandia from 8 mg a day to 2 mg a day
and has replaced my insulin with the new Lantus, 40 units at bedtime. My
Cholesterol (SP) and my triglycerides were all real good. The Opthomologist said
my eyes looked better than he had ever seen them and was very complimentary
about my sugar control. Jodi's pap smear and her mammogram were all normal and
her doc doesn't want to see her for a year. I can't believe how busy we were
while we were in OKC. In addition to the drs. appointments Jodi co-hosted a baby
shower and we went to Beckie's boy friends birthday party. Believe it or not I
actually played in a pool tournament at Slick Willy's. And OU beat Baylor!! The
shower was for a girl who grew up with Beth. It never ceases to amaze Jodi and I
how many of our kid's friends are not close to or do not have parents or grand
parents. We seem to serve as surrogate parents and grand parents to a tremendous
number of young people with whom we have no blood relationship. It has astounded
us over the years to watch some of these kids reactions to our families
traditions and customs since they have none. Greg brought a boy to our house for
Thanksgiving dinner one year who had never eaten turkey and dressing. His
parents were very well to do and travelled all the holidays. Danny had grown up
on tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches plus what ever he could buy at a
fast food restaurant with the money his parents had left for him to use. His
almost unwillingness to try the Thanksgiving Dinner and all of its trimmings as
well as his reaction to all the new flavors was sad. Herb (Bear)
On Mon Oct 22 11:36:09 2001 Faith () said:
Sabrina, while I was in the
hospital (army hospital)last November, I had doctors, nurses, and medical
students coming to see me and ask if they could look at my pump. They "all" had
never seen a pump before or knew how they worked. The theory is talked about in
medical school, as I was told, but not taught per se. There was one doctor from
the Endo. dept who had seen them and know some about them. I do believe, as a
whole, doctors do not, or are not able to keep themselves abreast of all the
technology that is available out there. In my humble opionion, you sound like a
good candidate for a pump. Why don't you ask around in your area and see if
there is a clinic or doctor that would talk with you about the pump. They are
expensive. If I didn't have insurance, I wouldn't have one. Keep that in
mind.
On Mon Oct 22 10:37:32 2001 sabrina () said:
hi faith, herb, marc, faye, and
jim. well i was 166 this morning. better than yesterday. i had to call my endo
yesterday because i was 439. i have to call her for anything over four hundred.
she raised my 75/25 to 76 units in the morning. it seems like a lot. well
housework calls. talk to you all later.
On Mon Oct 22 10:16:26 2001 . (.) said:
Sabrina: Perhaps your young doctor
just insn't out of middle school yet - - physicians who graduate from medical
school today are far more versed in updated technology than older physicians!
Too bad they lack adequate training in nutrition.
On Mon Oct 22 10:10:58 2001 Faith () said:
Morning all! Bg's are running a
little high the past couple of mornings. But they come down the rest of the day.
Anita "Happy Birthday". Hope you have many more! You sound like you are doing so
well with your diabetes. Keep up the good work. I really should get out and do
some walking. My feet just give me too much trouble. Hope you all have a great
day!
On Mon Oct 22 08:32:12 2001 () said:
Crunching , China is near east boarder
with Tibet
On Mon Oct 22 00:05:27 2001 () said:
where is crunching china ?
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