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On Thu Aug 9 22:16:55 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
Faye, It was nice
to heaar you both had a great time away. Your children are giving back what they
were shown growing up! You have done a great job raising them. Your post gave me
more belief that we must do the things we want to do when we feel up to it . We
never know just what tomorrow will bring. I sure hope the doc's figure out what
the prob;em is and get you back to feeling yourself. Take care, Love & Luck,
Misty
On Thu Aug 9 22:10:56 2001 () said:
LOOKS LIKE THE RELIGIONISTS LOST TO THE
BABY KILLERS ON SCR
On Thu Aug 9 21:31:26 2001 fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Hi friends.
It has been a long time since I have posted here. Have been reading the back
chats and like what I have read. I said that I wouldn't post anymore but I miss
you all. Not much has been happening with me and my diabetes since I last
posted. It has been under good control unless I am bleeding internally . Have
been hospitalized twice more with it. Still aren't sure where it is coming from.
Go for more tests Tuesday. My husband retired July 2nd and myself and our
children gave him a retirement party July 21st. Our children really gave both of
us a surprise with an all expense paid 7 nights, 6 days, round trip to Nashville
Tenn. It had always been a big dream of ours to go to the Grand Ole Opry
someday. We had a great time. I wasn't sure I would be able to go as I had only
been out of the hospital 6 days when we left. I was fine all the time there. I
am so lucky to have such caring children. When we got home, another surprise, A
new bathroom down stairs. I know this has nothing to do with diabetes but I just
wanted to share this with my friends. Glad to be back. Faye
On Thu Aug 9 21:19:28 2001 () said:
computer.
On Thu Aug 9 18:25:28 2001 sabrina (sabrina_and_bob@yahoo.com) said:
well i
can't move around a lot. so i'm sitting most of the time. there does that help?
my sugar is 395 and i took 37 units of insulin and i'm sitting in front of the
puter chatting in a forum that deals with my other condition-nuro-cardiogenic
syncope. and as for the pms crack, all you people do is rip on each other. just
stop the foolishness. you all have the same problem-diabetes. come together and
help each other not hurt each other.
On Thu Aug 9 17:54:11 2001 () said:
HEY SABRINA HOW YOU YOU FIGURE YOUR PMS
IN THAT..PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE
On Thu Aug 9 17:40:14 2001 sabrina (sabrina_and_bob@yahoo.com) said:
allright kwitcherbitchen! why is it people come here for advice about
diabetes and they get shit on? no i won't watch my mouth because you'all ain't
my momma! heres a question to debate- blood sugar is 395. you took 37 units of
insulin. how long does it take to drop?
On Thu Aug 9 17:39:16 2001 () said:
REDBONE ?
On Thu Aug 9 16:54:53 2001 () said:
WOULD YOU PLEASE EAT A FOOTLONG AND HAVE
AN OVERDOSE?
On Thu Aug 9 16:45:44 2001 CB () said:
HOT DOGS ARE USED TO TREAT MENTAL
ILLNESS
On Thu Aug 9 16:44:41 2001 CB () said:
Bambi: Good for you! Try purified
water; it will help even more. Water soluble vitamins may need to be increased
though. No big deal, however. About tomatoes; RAW is the most nutritious way to
eat them. Heat destroys nutrients. Salad is an excellent idea or in a bowl (per
Bear).
On Thu Aug 9 16:29:42 2001 () said:
THANK YOU BAMBI FOR THE FOOD WEBSITE I
CAN LOOK UP TOMATOS NOW
On Thu Aug 9 16:29:03 2001 () said:
YOU SPENT 17 YEARS CHANGING BED PANS IN
MICU. THAT MEANS YOU HAD NO INPUT INTO THE WRITING OF STANDARD ORDERS.
On Thu Aug 9 16:28:09 2001 () said:
REDBONE ?
On Thu Aug 9 16:27:19 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHEN SLEEPING WITH
DADDY
On Thu Aug 9 16:20:20 2001 () said:
AND YOU TALK WITH A SEWER MOUTH!!!DADDY
MUST BE SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!
On Thu Aug 9 16:18:29 2001 ... (...) said:
Sorry, not John but an MICU nurse
with 17 years of experience.
On Thu Aug 9 16:12:40 2001 () said:
WATCH THE LANGUAGE ON HERE
JOHN!!!!!!!
On Thu Aug 9 16:07:45 2001 ... (...) said:
Bullshit Bambi. You follow
protocol and standing nursing orders!
On Thu Aug 9 14:53:55 2001 Bambi () said:
I'm at lunch. 4 minutes to go.
Thanks for caring.
On Thu Aug 9 14:48:37 2001 () said:
BAMBI,...SHOULDNT YOU BE WORKING AT
WORK??????
On Thu Aug 9 14:45:58 2001 Bambi () said:
OJ costs the hospital practically
nothing to administer. Glucagon is upwards of $100. That should explain why they
prefer to use juice.
On Thu Aug 9 14:39:57 2001 Bambi () said:
You can find the carbs for any
food at this site: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl Divide
total carbs per serving by 15 to get ADA exchanges
On Thu Aug 9 12:40:19 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38'2swbell.net) said:
FRED: I am
not sure where to get the info you asked for relaitng to fresh tomatoes. BUT, on
a can of tomato sauce or tomato paste that is 100% tomatoes you will find a
sugar figure. The only problem is how many fresh tomatoes did it take to make
that can?? I love tomatoes but prefer to eat them cooked or in a salad or on a
sandwich. My wife will eat fresh tomatos just like I would an apple. I've neve
cared for them like that. I will eat a bowl of tomatoes for lunch a lot in the
summer time when we have fresh vine ripened ones. She cuts them into a bowl,
covers them with saran wrap and zaps them in the microwave. Presto, I have a
bowl of cooked tomatoes and she does not have both a pan and a bowl to wash.
Herb (Bear)
On Thu Aug 9 12:27:09 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
FAITH: They
had extreme problems getting my BS to move upwards and once they got it moving
up then it would turn around and go back down. Rehab only has one doctor who is
in charge and works days. There was no doctor on duty to call and I don't fully
understand why they could not call for help from the regular hospital?? They not
only gave me OJ but they gave me grape juice and apple juice, multiple glasses
of all 3 laced with sugar. I could feel the undissolved granules of sugar in my
mouth. It is a wonder that my BS did not hit the moon. It was a little high the
next morning but not that high. I was transferred out to the heart dept. the
very first thing the next morning and had my massive heart attack that
afternoon. Herb (Bear)
On Thu Aug 9 12:03:18 2001 Faith (same) said:
Herb - I don't mean to scare
anyone, but it is something all "D's" should be aware of. I woke up one night
with a 27 reading. I had laid there for a few minutes trying to talk myself out
of it. Go figure?! Then I could hardly think what to do. I was wondering too why
those nurses didn't give you glugacon too!? With the sugar laced OJ they can
bring it up too high. That's what happened w/me when I had the 27. Couldn't get
my husband to give me the shot, soooo, he made me drink a (big)glass of OJ FULL
of sugar. I had to work all day to get the highs down. I feel that your post and
others that have episodes like that to share is very helpful to us all. Keep up
the good work.
On Thu Aug 9 11:57:51 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
TO (...):
I'm not sure why they would not have a better response to hypo. Rehab was like a
different hospital within a hospital I had to be transferred out there with a
tremendous amount of paper work and then be transferred back. They didn't have
any nitro either. The head nurse had to get some from the pharmacy and since it
was the middle of the night and she did not have a prescription from my doctor
there was a major delay and boy did she ever get mad. Herb (Bear)
On Thu Aug 9 11:57:01 2001 Fred d Wacker (fredugan@aol.com) said:
I am a
great tomato lover and trying to find out how they effect blood sugar levals.
Knowing they a are fruit what amount of sugar or lhe like is in tomatoes.
thanks.
On Thu Aug 9 11:31:43 2001 () said:
HERB,....YOU SHOULD WRITE BOOKS...YOU
HAVE A KNACK FOR THEATRICS!!!!
On Thu Aug 9 11:22:56 2001 To Herb (...) said:
What...these nurses never
heard of glucagon???? Can't believe they were relying on fruit juice and
sugar...there should have been a specific protocol to follow for severe
hypoglycemia!
On Thu Aug 9 11:20:18 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swebell.net) said:
FAITH: I'm
on Lipitor. Our mail order prescription provider tried to change me to Zocor and
my Endo said no and our insurance co. backed him up. We are going to be real
busy for a while. I have a 2:15 this afternoon with the Podiatrist to get my
toenails trimmed. Then my brother is coming by to see us. He is the father of my
nephew that was burned to death in the car wreck July 6th. Depending on how long
Jim stays we are going to OKC either this evening or tomorrow morning to spend
some time with our daughters. They are the ones with Masto. Not sure when we
will get back. I will check in with you guys when we do. Herb (Bear)
On Thu Aug 9 11:04:13 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
You guys are
scaring me with your info that low symptoms change. So far when my BS drops into
the 60s my eyes stop focusing and everything gets blurry. In the 50's I sweat
like a hog in the sunshine. In the 40's I'm so weak I can't even sit up on the
side of the bed. The only time I have been below 40 that I am aware of is when I
was in the hospital rehab following my amputation and I saw rehab as an exit
door out of that place. If the therapist told me to do 20 repititions of an
exercise I did 500. I wanted out! That night I had a mild heart attack and my
blood sugar dropped clear off the scale. The first number they got which was
after several finger sticks was 13. I had 4 nurses around my bed. One wiping my
face with a cloth with ice in it saying "Mr. Shaw you stay awake. Don't you go
to sleep on me. Do you hear?" One was taking constant BS readings. One was
taking constant blood pressure readings. And one was administering nitro. The
next day they moved me to the heart floor where I had a major heart attack and
coded. Woke up 3 days later in ICU on a ventilator. What scares me about the
symptoms changing is that I understand that there is real danger of going into a
coma if the BS drops low enough. I nearly always have my lows at night. What if
I did not wake enough to wake Jodi. Like I said it is scary. I normally wake
when the sweating starts. OH! all the nurses were pouring fruit juice down me
that they had laced with sugar. Herb (Bear) Herb (Bear)
On Thu Aug 9 10:14:29 2001 Faith (same) said:
Gordon, my doctor is changing
me to Zocor. I don't think it has done anything to me, but he (my doc), will run
a number of lab tests to see. Sam, your tongue goes all tingly and numb too.
That happens to me too when I go real low, and sometimes that is the first clue
that I'm low! Scary!
On Thu Aug 9 09:23:30 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
Jim: That's called
"hypoglycemic unawareness"..it happens to me also. I have been down to 42, felt
normal.The symptoms change with time...I know if my tongue goes dead now, I am
in trouble. Doesn't happen much anymore, on the pump.
On Thu Aug 9 08:06:01 2001 Bambi () said:
CB, I gotta say that in my case,
it's quantity over quality. I'm more concerned about getting enough down every
day than in what's in it. After becoming dehydrated back in the spring, I'm
going WAAAAY beyond the 64 ounces a day. I could not believe the damage caused
to my blood sugars by dehydration and how long (weeks) it took to get regulated
again.
On Thu Aug 9 07:21:28 2001 Jim (jimf_44047@yahoo.com) said:
Good morning
everyone. Gordo- Glad to see you post. I'm still on that morning rollercoaster
with my BS. An example, yesterday morning test was 93, and this morning 162.
Just can't figure it out. Question for anyone: Do hypo symptoms change with time
and the level of control? Back when I had my very first hypo episode, I had all
the classic symptoms of racing heartbeat, sweating, drowsy and so on. Also, that
one came on at 59. I'm told that due to the BS running so high for so long that
it was normal to have the symptoms at that number. Over the last 12 months,
sometimes when I go low the symptoms aren't the same. Yesterday I started
getting a bad headache, which I almost never get, and when I checked, my BS was
47. Any comments on this? Have a good day everyone, even the poster from last
night who was/is infatuated with me! Jim
On Thu Aug 9 05:15:21 2001 () said:
Wheatgrass juice is used in the
treatment of mental illness.
On Thu Aug 9 04:14:49 2001 CB () said:
About water: Tap water usually has
heavy metals, insecticides, and other toxins in it, so it is best to cook with
and drink PURIFIED bottled water. Toxins can put stress on inner organs. That is
why antioxidants and wheatgrass juice are good to take in daily. Eat natural,
minimally processed foods. You will feel better for it.
On Thu Aug 9 00:48:31 2001 () said:
Jim, thr site was closed to you and
"your Friend" because of the need to keep normal family values on the
site....
On Thu Aug 9 00:30:08 2001 Gordom (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Faith, Many
thanks for the Baycol discontinuation info. This may have had some relationship
to my wife's recent death. She had been on Baycol for quite some time after
switching from Zocor. I plan to communicate further with them. Again, thanks.
Gordo
On Wed Aug 8 22:12:46 2001 () said:
Jim, webmasters have closed websites
just to get rid of you....that should sure tell you something....
On Wed Aug 8 21:51:40 2001 Gayla (critter@telepath.com) said:
This is to the
females using Advandia....I became pregant in October using Advandia and birth
control pills and I am thankful to have a beautiful baby boy but I thought I
should tell you girls who are using it and birth control because some of you may
not be aware of this I asked my MD a few days ago about it and he said he didn't
know so I showed him the article I was reading and he said Hum Ha anyhow be
warned Gayla
On Wed Aug 8 18:09:18 2001 () said:
Jim,don't blame it all on Kerry....you
were asked nicely to clean up your act....was your choice...so you were
terminated for cause...nobodys fault but yours...
On Wed Aug 8 16:49:40 2001 () said:
POSTES? IS THAT SOME SORT OF SATANIC
WORD?
On Wed Aug 8 16:29:50 2001 () said:
FINALLY FAITH POSTES SOME THING WE CAN
USE INSTEAD OF A BWD THINGY.....DON'T KNOW WHY HER AND JIMMYBOY HAD TO START IT
UP AGAIN......PITIFUL WINGED SPAWNS OF SATAN ANY WAY!!!!!!!!
On Wed Aug 8 15:33:26 2001 Faith (same) said:
This was of interest to me
since I take Baycol. Bayer has taken it off the market. Here is the address:
http://www.baycol.com/Dear_HealthCare_Letter-Baycol_pull.pdf
On Wed Aug 8 14:11:55 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
Hi to everyone!
Battling the heat here in PA. It was a 109 heat index yesterday and today is
going higher. Today is my transplant anniversary of 12 years! I never can
believe how fast a year goes. I am traveling out to Chicago/Wheaton aera and
need to know if any one knows any D doctors out that way in case of emergency.
Please e mail me if you do. Health is going well and working hard on losing
weight. The steriods make it very difficult. I hope all is well with friends
here on the chat. Take care, Love & Luck, Misty
On Wed Aug 8 11:44:47 2001 () said:
WOW!!!!!!THAT NEW BWD3 PLACE IS EVERY
THING THEY CLAIM IT TO BE!!!!CONTROVERSIAL!!!! FUNNY TOO!!!!
On Wed Aug 8 11:00:29 2001 () said:
COCKAMAMIE HAS TO BE ONE OF THE FUNNIEST
WORDS I EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!
On Wed Aug 8 10:30:28 2001 Jim (same) said:
No, never been kicked off a
site. Wasn't kicked off this one. They just closed it up to keep me and someone
else out. I'm ok with it, really. My friend and I both kind of expected it
anyway. The only thing that slightly irks me is not that I wasn't wanted on
there, but that now newbies have no access either. Faith, I respect you and
thank you for posting that, but all that is, is a Kerry-Cop out. With 29
members, if it wasn't working, why not show the 29 members OF A FAIRLY NEW CLUB,
the courtesy to send out a global email informing them that they are closing it
up and why? They have that ability as a founder to send global email to all its
members. It was only because myself and someone else (who can speak for
themselves) joined yesterday. Coincidence? Not on your life. She is just a
spiteful vindictive person! I won't bring it up again, because that would give
them the "air time" to get more members. They get enough "air time" over here
causing trouble AP'ing. By bringing it up, I'm feeding their little membership
machine. I'm wrong to take up this place's space by doing it. Again, I won't
bring it up or discuss again. Jim
On Wed Aug 8 10:15:06 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Jim, I copied
this for your information! Don't know about the recipe site, but felt this
needed to be posted, with some editing. ------ We closed BWD Home because it
just wasn't working. We were spreading ourselves thin. It would be confusing
BWD3 and BWD Home, and since Home wasn't working, it is better to remove it.---
I guess I spoke too soon about my biopsy sites healing up. I decided to not put
meds or bandaids on yesterday, (the docotr said to keep them on for 4-5 days),
but I had to go back today and put them back on. The sites are all red around
the edges. One more thing, BWD chat site is still up!
On Wed Aug 8 09:39:09 2001 () said:
Jim...just accept that you are not
wanted over there...I seem to remember a year ago when you were Blacklisted on
another site...
On Wed Aug 8 08:24:09 2001 Jim (jimf_44047@yahoo.com) said:
Good morning
everyone. So much for support! I hate to get on here and "whine", as I'm sure
someone will put it, but yesterday I, and someone else from here joined the new
listed BWDHome club (I'm NOT talking about the new BWD3). We both posted cordial
greetings and disrupted nothing. This morning I tried to go there to see what's
going on and not only has it been deleted, but the BWD Cooking site has been
made private or deleted as well. I don't understand why a diabetic recipe would
be "top-secret", but whatever. It's funny, their description of the BWD Home
site was "A place to share your life with Diabetes". Now, unless this is a Yahoo
glitch(and if it is, I'm sorry for this post. No problem getting on any other
Yahoo clubs though.), why would someone who purports to "be there for support"
do this? Just one more reason why I'm almost 100% sure that one of them are the
disruptors over here. I guess I'll never understand why people do the things
they do. I'm still having lots of problems and was looking forward to getting
some insight from them but I guess not. If I wasn't wanted in their club, all
they had to do was ask, and I would have left without a word so that new
diabetics could find the place and get the help and support they not only need
but deserve. Oh well, there's other support clubs out there but I'll end with a
word of advice for you members of the illustrious private BWD: be careful that
you don't piss off the Queen Bee over there, and never disagree with her or
you'll be out of support too. One other thing: De- Please take me off your
mailing list for your Club's cockamamie "Support" Newsletter. I don't need fake
support right now or ever. Jim
On Wed Aug 8 00:16:19 2001 () said:
computer
On Tue Aug 7 16:22:55 2001 () said:
beginner
On Tue Aug 7 16:22:39 2001 DH (/) said:
I never said you were stupid. Just
thought you might be a bebinner on the puter.
On Tue Aug 7 16:13:34 2001 () said:
yes, I'm smart enough to type in the
URL,,,but thanks for bringing that to my attention.. I did not know it was not
listed yet.,..
On Tue Aug 7 16:03:13 2001 DH (/) said:
It's too new of a club to be listed
yet. Takes 24 hrs or so. If you can't type in the adress below on your adress
bar I guess you should give up and take computer lessons instead!!
On Tue Aug 7 15:57:51 2001 () said:
DH, I am searching on Yahoo and
Google..should I try another browzer or give up ?
On Tue Aug 7 15:30:04 2001 () said:
If you copy and paste the exact adress
below in to your adress bar you will get there.
On Tue Aug 7 15:29:07 2001 () said:
Try http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bwd3
On Tue Aug 7 15:19:47 2001 () said:
To DH..have tried every combo I can
think of on Yahoo to find your site with no luck I am using
clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bwd3 what am I doing wrong ?
On Tue Aug 7 13:25:00 2001 DH (/) said:
I got a few e-mails from some of my
female friends objecting to the term 'Broads' in my new club name. I don't find
it offensive but they do so I've changed it to the following,**Welcome to
Brothers, Boobs {Everybody knows at least one}, and Babies {lots of people act
like one} With Diabetes{or BWD3}. Here we tell it like it is. This site WILL BE
CONTROVERSIAL. No topic is forbidden, but diabetes is the main focus. No selling
or advertising. You won't be deleted for arguing a point, but please be as
respectful as possible. You also will not be forced to give your e-mail address.
Join us! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bwd3
On Tue Aug 7 11:16:04 2001 Jim (same) said:
Herb- No need for apologies,
really. I think she's a bit of a renegade, and she's said some things I don't
agree with myself. I only thought the "propoganda" comment was a little off base
because as I said, I think it's more of a difference in beliefs that anything
else. That's all I meant. No harm, no foul. Jim
On Tue Aug 7 11:05:34 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
JIM: Thank
you for your gentle correction. I appreciate and do understand what you said.
You are right I was out of line. Due to some of the things she had said in the
past I felt the need to challenge her and that was wrong. I apologize. Herb
(Bear)
On Tue Aug 7 10:52:09 2001 Faith (same) said:
Hey everyone, how's your day
going? I still haven't gotten the results back in regards to those biopsies done
last Thursday. I guess it's too soon to expect anything yet. I'm sure they were
not put in as a rush. Just will have to wait! Thank goodness my "D" is not
keeping these biopsy sites from healing fast. They look ugly, but are healing.
Speaking about water problems, one of our local AF Bases has had crude oil seep
into their base water supply. What a mess! Hope you all have a great day, will
check back later!
On Tue Aug 7 09:26:37 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
TOAD;...keep
posting. We like your posts, don't go away..I am sure there are many who do.
Much info on here... The water situation is really scary...so far it's o.k.
here, but I will get another reverse osmosis system when I get settled. The heat
index will be: 106 here in S.W. MI...I can only work in the morning...I don't
sweat anymore, due to neuropathy! Anyone else lose their sweat glands? I got
hypoxia in the mountains...I think that's when they began to die...you don't
notice that right away.
On Tue Aug 7 08:51:00 2001 DH (/) said:
Herb,Tis not a 'private'podium. I
let you in didn't I? It is a listed club and your views are as welcome as anyone
elses! Lets keep the record straight and not muddy up the issues with
innaccurate data please. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bwd3
On Tue Aug 7 08:49:12 2001 () said:
Hey DH could not find your club
anywhere,,are you sure the address you gave is correct ?
On Tue Aug 7 08:39:49 2001 () said:
HERB YOU STILL HAVE NOT TOLD US WHY YOUR
RELIGION HATES JEWS AND CATHOLICS....
On Tue Aug 7 07:26:59 2001 Jim (same) said:
BTW, Thanks for all the well
wishes and emails on my new business. Most appreciated. Jim
On Tue Aug 7 07:26:16 2001 Jim (jimf_44047@yahoo.com) said:
Good morning
everyone. Herb- I hope you know that I DO respect you, but I need to
respectfully disagree with your post of 17:14:16. I think calling her site
propoganda is more of a philosophical disagreement on your part than fact. It's
all in how someone looks at things coupled with their religous convictions,
completed with their upbringing. I visited the site and I am going to join as
soon as I post this, but she warned that it would be controversial so at least I
know what to expect going in. It looks like a place where we can vent about
things and be permitted to get mad about things. I personally get mad about the
lack of funding for diabetes, among other things. You complain here and you get
crap for it. Over there I'm hoping that if I get crap, at least I'll know who's
giving it. I've been a member of Yahoo clubs before, and you can't really get
mad about things because the Founder s usually send you an email telling you to
calm down, or delete your posts or whatever. We need to be able to get pissed
off once in a while and I hope that place is what it says it will be. Have a
good day, Jim
On Tue Aug 7 01:17:59 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
WATER: Our
water comes from a very large man made lake that is near by. At certain seasons
it has a smell and a taste that is highly objectionable. It is supposed to have
something to do with the algae in the lake blooming. Jodi bought a BRITA
filtering water pitcher. She filters a half gallon at a time and puts it in the
empty distilled water jugs from the distilled water I have to use in my C-Pap
machine. She changes the filter after filtering 40 gallons of water. The filters
cost about $7. After doing this our water tastes just like bottled water. OH,
she freezes the full water jugs and then has them to use in the ice chest when
we go somewhere and also has large pieces of ice to ice down a water melon etc.
Herb (Bear)
On Tue Aug 7 00:23:11 2001 () said:
faith and herb check this out.....just
what you need www.biblegum.com
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