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On Sun Jul 22 20:28:44 2001 Toad () said:
CB? chrisbrock.com is a site under
construction? Thanks for the receipe. I'll try it one of these days. (I hate
salmon! hehehe) But, I will try it. It's hot today and the humidity is on the
rise. The ol' knees are swollen already and it's supposed to get worse this
week. OOOH I long to live in Alaska! Or atleast out west with less humidity...
Hope everyones weekend was filled with joy and pleasures.
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On Sun Jul 22 14:09:26 2001 () said:
ANY ONE ELSE NOTICE HOW MUCH MARC W AND
STEVE J SOUND LIKE THE SAME PERSON. EVERY TIME MARC DISAPPEARS STEVE COMES TO
VISIT. SOUNDS LIKE MARC IS A COWARD.....HERB YOU ARE BEING MADE TO LOOK LIKE A
DAM FOOL.....YESTERDAY,LOLLY = JOHN......WE ALL KNEW HE WOULD COME BACK....YOU
SHOULD READ THE SAPPY THINGS HE'S BEEN POSTING ON HIS GIRLIE SITE
BWD...........
On Sun Jul 22 14:07:03 2001 () said:
To Mandy: Also......... the United
States as a country does not support stem cell research but others countries
permit and are making good progress with it. The U.S. does not appear to be a
leading country in Diabetes Research but the country that does solve the problem
(keep an eye on Norway) will obviously share the solution with the world. Good
things appear to be right around the corner. It will happen.
On Sun Jul 22 09:51:32 2001 () said:
Mandy, look in the National News
section of your Sunday paper, is a lot on sten cell research and the great
outlook for a cure for diabetes , MS and Parkenson disease as well as new organs
for those that now die waiting for transplants. The religionists on here greatly
oppose it...but hang in there...
On Sun Jul 22 09:46:28 2001 (o) said:
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On Sun Jul 22 04:49:21 2001 mandy () said:
At the end of the day some women
are going to have abortions, so why can we not use the feotus for stem cell
research. Like many of you on here I am sick of needles everyday, making sure
that I am eating the right things, The only time I get to eat something really
nice is when I am "hypo"!! I am sorry if that offends some of you, but if there
was another source that may cure diabetes then I'm all for it, do we know if
stem cell research works??
On Sun Jul 22 03:33:02 2001 () said:
whats a special spin
On Sun Jul 22 02:20:38 2001 () said:
BEAR IGNORE AP IS MAKING YOU LOOK LIKE
A FOOL !!!
On Sat Jul 21 23:14:32 2001 herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
(): Please
read what I say and don't put your special spin on it. What I said was the best
friend I have in this world is Catholic. I know that he and I don't believe any
body else attaches a second class status to Catholics. Can't yu discuss
something with out having to twist and turn it and put your special spin on it??
Herb (Bear)
On Sat Jul 21 21:50:51 2001 () said:
Herb thats very self-serving of
you..."some of my best friends are Catholics "...I am sure they are glad of
their second class status with you....
On Sat Jul 21 21:44:53 2001 fhgff (ggfffg) said:
gfggffg
On Sat Jul 21 19:26:50 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
():
Southern Baptists have a lot in common with Christians since as Faith said here
one time most of us are Christians first Baptists second and Southern Baptists
third. With the millions of us that there are in this country I do not doubt
that if you look long and hard enough you can find one that hates Catholics and
Jews. But I and no one I know hates either one. In fact the best friend I have
in this world is a Catholic. I know many Jewish people and admire and respect
them. In fact () I can't think of any one I hate not even you. As far as some
news magazine special on TV goes you have my sympathy if you believe everything
you see on TV. Especially the news magazines when it has been proven several
times the means they will go to in order to sell a story. Herb (Bear)
On Sat Jul 21 17:23:54 2001 () said:
Now Herb,,that we are drawing out all
your personal information , tell us why southern baptists hate Catholics and
Jews , as per the 60 min TV special..>?
On Sat Jul 21 15:07:35 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
(): I
really don't know if you are as uninformed as you appear to be or if you just
want to stir up an argument and then get into personal attacks. I will grant you
that with the millions of people that profess Christianity that if you look long
enough and hard enough you can find almost any opinion that you want to, some of
them unrealistic and rediculous. But the majority of Christians are mainstream
citizens who are quite responsible in their attitudes and convictions. Your
statement about witch hunts is absolutely rediculous. The vast majority of
Christians support your right to belive what ever you choose to believe
regardless of whether or not it is in conflict with what they believe. In fact
many Christians have lost their lives fighting for just that right in this
country. As far as my being on the dole. Yes, I have a great retirement program
through the Southern Baptist Annuity Board. But, the facts are the convention
put 10% of my salary over and above my salary and Jodi and I paid in 20% of my
salary for years into a retirement insurance program in order to receive the
retirement that we get. I don't see how this qualifies as being on the dole. My
opinions and convictions are my own, a product of my lifes experiences. Herb
(Bear)
On Sat Jul 21 14:43:59 2001 () said:
Well Herb, the truth is that if you
religionists had your way we would still be having witch hunts....you are on the
dole from your religion headquarters so your answer is what is expected....
On Sat Jul 21 13:23:46 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
(): You
need to become a little more knowledgeable on a subject before you speak. You
don't have a clue as to how those of us who you refer to as religionists feel
about stem cell research. You also know nothing about how churches are financed.
We do not get federal money. What the government spends on research has no
relationship to what the churches have to spend on their members. Before you
bring up Bush's bill to present the chuches with money to use for charitable
purposes let me tell you how an awful lot of Christians feel about that. We
don't want it. When we accepted federal money for our schools was when we lost
local control of our schools and accepted federal control and we do not want the
government to control our churches. This whole thing about stem cell research
the controversy is being mistated. I don't know of anyone who is against the
research. What we are against is the unethical harvesting of the stem cells. To
abort a child in order to use it's stem cell is murder and is unethical. If a
woman will have children in order to collect child support why wouldn't some
women get pregnant in order to abort the child and sell the stem cell tissue? I
have a daughter who is in the medical field and a son in law that is a research
scientist. They assure me that we are so close to artificialy producing stem
cell tissue in the lab artificially and we are also very close to taking a small
DNA cell sample from the patient requiring treatment that will provide a perfect
match when the new tissue is grown in the lab. This would eliminate the necesity
for the recipient to have to take all the anti rejection drugs. I can say
unequivicbly that despite my diabets and all my complecations I am not
personally interested in a cure that requires a child to lose their life. I have
the right to make that decision. The child making the ultimate sacrifice has no
oportunity to make an informed decision. Herb (Bear)
On Sat Jul 21 12:52:07 2001 () said:
Sabrina, most people would support stem
cell research if they felt it could apply to them...we have a very vocal group
of religionists on here that would much prefer that money go to their churches
for prayer and to drag more people into their faith..
On Sat Jul 21 11:09:30 2001 sabrina (sabrina_and_bob@yahoo.com) said:
stem
cell research. hmm. well for starters, if it could cure diabetes, i'm all for
it. i don't know about you people, but i'm right sick of having it. i hate
watching what i eat for fear of my sugar going into orbit, and i hate the
needles, and i just hate the whole idea of it. i wasn't asked if i wanted this,
it just came to me. so if some scientist can find a cure through stem cell
research, more power to them. i would hope that they can also find a cure for my
other condition, nuro-cardiogenic syncope. then i could be healthy again. i hope
that someday that people waiting on an organ transplant will never have to wait
long because there will always be something available. you all talk about how
its wrong-but do you really think of what good it could do? oh and to answer the
question, a moron is someone who doesn't see any view but his own.
On Sat Jul 21 08:32:42 2001 () said:
whats a moron ..???
On Sat Jul 21 07:15:16 2001 () said:
Sat Jul 21 03:24:16 = SELF RIGHTEOUS
STUPIDITY & A MORON!
On Sat Jul 21 03:24:16 2001 () said:
SORRY CB, IS NOT EMOTION BUT SELF
RIGHTOUS STUPIDITY
On Sat Jul 21 03:10:47 2001 CB () said:
TOAD, common sense is indeed the
rule for training. My legs are killing me from deep squats yesterday. Today, it
is arms, calves, and hamstrings. Thinking about posting another food combo idea
on Monday. Well. gotta hit the hay!
On Sat Jul 21 03:02:40 2001 CB () said:
For the record, everything possible,
short of killing children, should be done to find a cure for this disease.
Somehow, the issue of killing another kid doesn't get into the process. Is this
just emotion at work? Maybe. Toad, chrisbrock.com is the site of a powerlifter
with experience training diabetics. Try this, it is great. 1 1/2 cups of spinach
pasta, 5 oz baked salmon w/a little olive oil, 1 oz fwta cheese (goat), 20z kelp
(wash off the salt and heat up with tomato sauce ( 1 cup,) Add a handful of
cherry tomatoes....great stuff. Healthy! Of course portions must fit meal plan.
Or this...pan fry a chicken breast in a little olive oil, shortly before it is
done, sautee some 3-4 guavas and 1/2 cup string beans. Serve on a bed of
couscous.
On Sat Jul 21 00:11:19 2001 Lolly (pop@yahoo.com) said:
sounds like a smile
is needed. Men are Like.. PLACEMATS They only show up when there's food on the
table. ... MASCARA They usually run at the first sign of emotion. ... BIKE
HELMETS They're good in emergencies but usually just look silly. ... GOVERNMENT
BONDS They take so long to mature. ... COPIERS You need them in reproduction but
that's about it. ... LAVA LAMPS Fun to look at it but not all that bright. ...
BANK ACCOUNTS Without a lot of money they don't generate a lot of interest. ...
HIGH HEELS They're easy to walk on once you get the hang of it. ... CURLING
IRONS They're always hot and always in your hair. ... MINI SKIRTS If your not
careful they'll creep up your legs. ...
On Fri Jul 20 22:14:55 2001 () said:
Steve...try something better than your
memorized religious logic.....ie,enter religious guilt.....
On Fri Jul 20 19:02:05 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
I don't
support stem cell research because I don't think this is the wondrous cure-all
answer for every disease known to man. It may be promising, but it may turn out
to offer nothing. I don't want to debate that issue here; my email address is
posted above -- if you want to continue the discussion, please email me there.
Thanks!
On Fri Jul 20 18:24:02 2001 Toad () said:
Hi all... Gordon welcome
back.:+)... Thanks for the info guys. Something else to keep an eye out for, eh?
LOL...CB? Can you give me a web site that lists excersize aps. and the correct
way to use them? I mean, I used weights but it was back in the late 60's and
early 70's and I just haven't kept up with it all. I am a firm believer in
'careful' and althought, most of them are common sense, I was wondering if
there's a site that will refresh my ol' brain on each apperatas(sp). While I
have found a local gym(?) it is very basic. With no trainers. I have a friend
that is willing to spot for me and we're both consintrating on the leg/thigh
areas mostly, but still. I'd appreciate any info you can give. I really want to
be able to ride a regular bike by the end of the year. Thanks... The humidity is
awful again. Makes my hands shake and that is maddening. But the hard part is
that I don't want to eat when it's so humid. Not even salads. So I'm drinking
juices instead. (I love V8!) I suppose Gordo, you'll kick my butt for that.:+0
But eating solid food in the summer actually makes me sick to my stomach?...
Faith, I'm jealous!!! I want some new southwestern jewlery tooooo!!!!! The toe
ring sounds great. I'm done. You can yell at me now... LOL
On Fri Jul 20 17:00:30 2001 () said:
well steve, if your mother, wife or
sister could be helped to overcome a terminal disease by that research would you
just pray and let them die..???
On Fri Jul 20 16:27:32 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To
"Just a reader": While I don't support stem cell research, here are a few sites
that can provide more information about this. National Institute of Health --
www.nih.gov/news/stemcell/primer.htm Another -- www.emcell.com Pro-research site
with news & research: www.stemcellresearchnews.com Anti-research site with
news & opinions (just trying to be balanced here, dear APs):
www.stemcellresearch.org You can also go to any search engine (Yahoo, Excite,
Google) and just type in "stem cell research". You'll get hundreds of categories
and web sites to review from both sides of this debate.
On Fri Jul 20 14:52:12 2001 () said:
CB GO HANG WITH HERB AND FAITH YOU FIT
WELL WITH THE BIBLE BANGING MASTER RACE
On Fri Jul 20 14:50:38 2001 () said:
HE PROBABLY VIEWS A {CHICKEN} EGG FARM
AS A ABORTION CLINIC.
On Fri Jul 20 14:47:18 2001 () said:
CB YOU FOOL, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW....YOU
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH EDUCATION TO EVEN SPELL IT....
On Fri Jul 20 14:46:25 2001 () said:
CB------YOU SHOULD HAVE ENDED #2 BY
SAYING "IN MY OPINION". HOW DARE YOU DECIDE FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHAT IS AND ISN'T
ETHICAL. WE ALL AREN'T BODYBUILING TOWERS OF MUSCLE LIKE YOU. WE WANT A CURE.
WOULD YOU SUPPORT IT IF IT WOULD CURE CANCER AND YOU WERE JUST DIAGNOSED AS
TERMINAL???? WOULD YOU???? YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT TRUTHFULLY BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY
TALKING HYPOTHETICALS HERE. STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR PAGANISTIC WICCAN VIEWS ON
THE REST OF US!!!! BIBLE THUMPING BELONGS IN CHURCH
On Fri Jul 20 13:35:50 2001 CB () said:
The prooblems with stem-cell
research are 1. The Constitution doesn't authorize medical spending by Congress
and 2. It is unethical to create a fwtus, then kill it.
On Fri Jul 20 09:45:08 2001 () said:
9:22:55 is brilliant the way he she it
types in all caps on one post then follows it up with regular typing. How sorry
you are!!!
On Fri Jul 20 09:39:50 2001 () said:
SOUNDS LIKE A THREAT TO DO BODILY HARM
....HMMMMM.....WONDER WHAT THE INTERNET COPS ARE GOING TO SAY ABOUT THIS
THREAT?????........
On Fri Jul 20 09:22:55 2001 () said:
How many people would support using
"()" at 07:22:41 for stem cell research? Hmmm, that many, huh? Well, (), looks
like you got your wish. People here support it and you are the best candidate to
start on!
On Fri Jul 20 07:22:41 2001 () said:
HEY HERBIE,,,,WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE IS
NOT ACCUSING????? ANY BODY CAN GO TO THAT SITE AND READ WHAT JOHNNY POSTED....HE
COPIED CB'S POST FROM HERE AND AT THE TOP WROTE THAT IT WAS THE BLAH BLAH PERSON
ON D.E.R......OR CAN'T YOU READ????????? I ALSO LIKED HOW EVERYBODY TOLD YOU
GUYS TO GROW UP AND DROP IT.....THAT WAS FUNNY!!!!!!!!DARCY,,,,WILL YOU MARRY
ME????????
On Fri Jul 20 04:42:54 2001 () said:
HEY GORDON ARE YOU AND CB IN BED
TOGETHER ?...
On Fri Jul 20 00:45:05 2001 Gordon (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Toad: I
agree with CB regarding the extreme seriousness of DKA. The prime reason for
this is when passing ketones, you also lose sodium and potassium resulting in
electrolyte imbalance. This can easily result in ketoacidotic coma, which is
associated with high mortality rates. Yes, it is very serious. I don't agree
with the reasoning for type 2 diabetics. Type 1 is a shortage or absence of
insulin production by the pancreas. Early type 2 is usually a result of fat
interferance with the insulin receptors on the muscle and fat cells. This
insulin receptor is the mechanism used by these cells to take up their needed
dose of glucose for energy production in the muscle. The process is called
receptor mediated endocytosis if you want to understand more about how your body
works. The main thing that is overlooked by the prediagnosis type 2's is the
effect of excess fat accumulation. This is the direct result of too much caloric
intake for the amount of calories used. Excess glucose production results in fat
production that results in further receptor interference. In the past, this
occurrance took place over a period of 20 to 30 years. This time sequence is
being shortened by the outrageous nutritional habits of today. Obesity is the
"in" thing now-a-days. It is a person's right to eat as unhealthily as they want
and to destroy their body. The destruction of the key parts of the human body is
becoming more rampant. Not only is type 2 diabetes on the rise, but also heart
disease and many other conditions aggravated by fat accumulation and fat
oxidation. Reduction of body fat accumulation may not be the complete answer for
all type 2 diabetics but serious effort to reduce body fat through a combination
of exercise and nutritional changes that minimize glucose production to be less
than the body's needs. The current response to any serious condition with the
human body is to take the easy way out and throw drugs at the ailment.
Specialists make a judgement call on any medication that they prescribe however,
no medication is guaranteed to solve a particular problem. My late wife took
many different medications during the last 8 years for her heart condition, but
they were not without change due to complications. I have a future
daughter-in-law, a type 2 diabetic, that is on kidney dialysis due to glucophage
treatment. No medication works exactly the same way for each person. In my case,
I prefer to make the effort to stay as medication free for as long as possible
to postpone these drug complications. Thus, my choice is to control my blood
glucose level the hard way, to know what to eat and how much exercise to use the
glucose rather than permit it to turn into fat. It works for me, and has for 5
1/2 years. When it doesn't, then I'll see about medication for additional
assistance. This will not negate my nutritional and exercise primary care but
will be a supplement to it. At age 73, I plan to fight this for many more years,
even if I have to become a weight lifter. CB has the best grasp of overall
nutrition and exercise therapy of anyone on here, including some of the
so-called anonymous professionals. CB has the guts to suggest what works for
him. None of us claim to be doctors. We can't prescribe controlled substances
and do not try. CB gets his necessary nutrients his way while I get mine my way.
We both recognize the need for exercise, his for building muscle mass, and mine
for removing lard that accumulates mainly around my middle. Sure, I have lost
muscle mass in the last 5 years but how many 73 year olds haven't. I had the
opportunity to pay back "Bear" yesterday by offering him support in his loss of
a nephew in return for his support for me a month ago at the funeral for my
wife. Seeing what he has experienced and viewing the malicious crap that he has
had to endure while trying to be of assistance on here encourages me to try to
help. Keep up the good work Herb. End of sermon. Gordo
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