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On Fri Jul 6 22:25:46 2001 () said:
whats a buttmunch ?
On Fri Jul 6 19:09:28 2001 () said:
STEVIE///WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE?????????YOU SIT ON YOUR HIGH HORSE TELLING EVERYONE ELSE TO DO THAT BUT YOU CAN'T!!!??????????WHAT A LOWLIFE BUTTMUNCH YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!
On Fri Jul 6 16:49:52 2001 () said:
KILL A COMMIE FOR CHRIST
On Fri Jul 6 16:48:43 2001 () said:
THERE ARE KKK AND BLACK PANTHER PEOPLE ON HERE
On Fri Jul 6 15:52:49 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
Dear AP (15:43:50) -- Please explain. Oops, there I go again revealing myself as an AP. But then YOU are an AP too! And talk about relentless! By the way, I am proud to put my name on anything I post here. I am not a coward to hide behind asterisks, parenthesis, and curse words for a name. Never have AP'ed here and never will. I might plagerize from others whose style I admire; but I will always sign my posts with my name and email address. It says something about people who can't or won't sign their posts -- it says they lack the moral courage of their convictions. Or a lack of morality period.
On Fri Jul 6 15:43:50 2001 Well well! (...) said:
Stevie, your post at 15:17:16 screams volume about you and your relentless APing of this board. You slipped up Bub. Read some of the things you said and word combinations you used. Does this look familiar to anyone else? STEVE YOU ARE BUSTED!
On Fri Jul 6 15:39:53 2001 () said:
STEVE = BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
On Fri Jul 6 15:17:16 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
I truly do pity you "()", because the only way you can improve your own low self-esteem is to tear down others. What exactly have you contributed in you illustrious career on this board to the support of fellow diabetics? What great thoughts have you offered; what important issues have you discussed; what brilliant ideas have you put forth? I guess you post of 15:06:45 says it all. That represents the total of your contribution and a pretty poor one at that. Too bad this chat doesn't have an IGNORE button so people could add you to the list. Then you could scream & curse all you want and end up talking to the wall. You are too sad for words, so buh-bye!
On Fri Jul 6 15:08:42 2001 () said:
Steve is APing as STARS AND STRIPES. Pathetic Steve,,,,,has to AP himself to get someone to "talk" to him.....
On Fri Jul 6 15:06:45 2001 () said:
EXCUSE ME STEVE YOU BUTTWAD!!!! 'DAMMIT' IS AN ACCEPTED WORD ALL OVER TV AND THE WORD DAMN IS ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE SO GO SUCK EGGS..... DAMMIT!!!!! ALSO, WHEN YOU MONOPOLIZE THIS BOARD WITH ALL YOUR EXTREMIST/MILITANT VIEWS, IT DRIVES AWAY PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. GO ELSEWHERE TO SELL YOUR INSURANCE BRO!!!!!!!!!!
On Fri Jul 6 15:04:01 2001 () said:
THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE THAT DO DEVIL WORSHIP
On Fri Jul 6 13:50:18 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
Dear 13:21:51 -- First, you should watch your language. Cursing is uncalled for. Second, no one is twisting your arm forcing you to read anything. See the scroll bar on the right? Trying using it to skip past what you don't want to read. Remember, ignore, ignore, ignore!
On Fri Jul 6 13:21:51 2001 DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! () said:
Gosh Dammit!!! Will you two please take this to e-mail or the bedroom. Sick of hearing political views, on a DIABETIC SUPPORT SITE!!!!
On Fri Jul 6 12:43:07 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
Dear S & S: There you go again -- misconstrue, misinterpret and misinform. I asked a simple question: point out in any posting here where I said that Medicare should be abolished. You couldn't do that, so you evade (the liberal's rope-a-dope; apologies to Mr. Ali) and try to twist and contort my statements. You are caught in a lie, called on the carpet for it, and then your response: blame someone else and continue to put words in my mouth that I never said. Too bad you can't discuss issues in an intelligent manner without resorting to childish tactics.
On Fri Jul 6 12:21:49 2001 STARS AND STRIPES () said:
What you mean to say is you want to eliminate WASTE,FRAUD and ABUSE so people will have to buy your companies policies. In which you will then WASTE, FRAUD and ABUSE the system. You sound like a pitchman Steve. Your company should be proud. Maybe if you show them your posts here they will give you a raise. Although you already have the dream health package that saves you thousands of dollars compared to what us poor souls have to pay because we don't work for the leeching insurance industry.
On Fri Jul 6 12:14:53 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To Stars and Stripes: Please point out where I said I wanted to abolish Medicare. I never said that, so please do not put words in my mouth. This seems to be your tactic: misquote, misconstrue, misinform. What I said was I though Medicare/Medicaid was a tremendous disaster. Because of that, I do not want the federal gov't. attempting to manage my healthcare. I believe the private sector can do that quite fine without Washington's help. In the interim, I would support any and all efforts to REFORM Medicare/Medicaid to eliminate the WASTE, FRAUD, and ABUSE of these systems. By the way, I have family on both Medicare and Medicaid. Before you go accusing people of being selfish, try learning some facts or is that too much trouble for you? Could you possibly be any less reasonable?
On Fri Jul 6 11:57:49 2001 STARS AND STRIPES () said:
You keep saying me,me, me. Isn't this about the people on medicare that your trying to take away from. You personally have the best health coverage of anyone here, or at the very least most people. Are you so shortsighted that you are not seeing the big picture. You are not effected by what you propose, other than your checkbook. People all over this great country of ours rely daily on the programs you wish to abolish, just because you personally don't need them. Could you possibly be any more selfish if you tried?
On Fri Jul 6 11:40:29 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To Stars and Stripes: You are partially right... I do believe that the private sector via free enterprise and competition can do a lot better job than Washington can, could or ever will do. Yes, I'd much prefer that Washington keep their grubby little paws out of my wallet and out of my life. They do NOT know what is best for me. They do not have my best interests in mind. And yes, I totally support free enterprise and competition -- the more the better. If someone doesn't like how our company operates, and lots of them don't, they can go elsewhere. But we currently have over 83 million members and add over a million more annually. Seems like we must be doing something right?
On Fri Jul 6 11:05:48 2001 STARS AND STRIPES () said:
Steve, isn't the bigger picture that you believe the government can not do what your great company can? Isn't this all about you taking from the poor and telling the government to stay out of it? Then once they sign with your company, you will change the coverages and tell them tough, if they don't like it get another insurance company. Or did I misinterpret that also. I remember you now, you always change what you say and blame others, isn't that you?
On Fri Jul 6 11:02:18 2001 *** () said:
I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge.... didn't the ATF come out dirty but on top in both situations? Nutcases go off into the woods and think they can start their own governments.....
On Fri Jul 6 11:01:26 2001 () said:
Insurance salesmen are the work of the devil.
On Fri Jul 6 11:00:42 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "Stars and Stripes" -- I love how you misinterpret what I say, but that's fine. I never said I wouldn't help my fellow man out. I already do via my excessive taxes paying for Medicare and Medicaid as well as paying higher medical prices to cover the care/treatment given to those who cannot pay for it. There's no such thing as a free lunch; somebody pays somewhere sometime. My objection is not to providing quality healthcare for everyone in America. My objection is trying to achieve that goal (which is a wonderful goal that I wholehearted support!) through legislation passed by Congress. I believe that is the WRONG method to use simply based on what they've already done (or not done). I just don't think they would be able to effectively manage such a program without making a mess of it, destroying the economy, and leaving everyone with much, much less than what we have now.
On Fri Jul 6 11:00:11 2001 *** () said:
I'm not real crazy about insurance salesmen, however....
On Fri Jul 6 11:00:01 2001 () said:
lets get some of the religious lunatics in on this discussion....Herb..????
On Fri Jul 6 10:58:48 2001 () said:
DID ANY DODY TRIED (VANADYL SULFATE) TO LOWER BLOOD SUGAR IF YES WHAT ARE THE RESULTS & DOSE THANX ORABI
On Fri Jul 6 10:57:20 2001 *** () said:
Welcome back, AP. Yes, I love commies, conservatives, and Canadians. I even love you because even though we disagree, you are still my brother. Slap my hand, I'm a bad person!
On Fri Jul 6 10:57:19 2001 () said:
REMEMBER WACO AND RUBY RIDGE !
On Fri Jul 6 10:55:36 2001 () said:
SUPPORT FIRSTSTRIKE !
On Fri Jul 6 10:55:08 2001 () said:
CHICAGO? Didn't realize there were many anti government militia groups in Chicago.
On Fri Jul 6 10:55:03 2001 () said:
PINKO COMMIE LOVERS !
On Fri Jul 6 10:52:11 2001 *** () said:
Let's see.... those wacky founding fathers. Got any idea when the Constitution was even approved? Twelve (12) years after the Declaration of Independence in 1787. And it didn't even include the Bill of Rights. How much have you changed in 12 years? How much has the world changed in 12 years? Those founding fathers weren't creating a small government, they were covering their own backsides in an attempt to prevent the colonies from crumbling into FURTHER anarchy. They never intended for the country to remain static. For instance, Chicago would have been in a foreign country. By the way, Ben Franklin was very liberal. So was Thomas Jefferson. That is why they both preferred to live in France, because it was more enlightened in that day.
On Fri Jul 6 10:49:46 2001 STARS AND STRIPES () said:
So what you are saying is, you like your life. Your community, your job. Well what if I like my life, my community and my job, but they picked a bad insurance company, maybe yours. Now your solution to me is to pick up, find another job, maybe move to a different community instead of hold the leeching insurance industry to the coverages they ORIGINALLY promise when you sign up, only to change that whenever they need to change their bottom line. Interesting, but it doesn't wash.If it aint good enough for you, it sure the hell aint good enough for me and mine, or the rest of this place.
On Fri Jul 6 10:44:05 2001 STARS AND STRIPES () said:
Steve, shouldn't your post read"Everyone who can afford coverages Deserves", because you draw the line at you helping your fellow Americans out, if they can't afford it, screw them. Of course your company is providing the insurance for a fee, so your opinion is totally one sided, like always.
On Fri Jul 6 10:42:16 2001 Steve (same as before) said:
To "()" -- I'll make it easy for you; posting from Chicago. I am not anti-government, just a conservative who believes in smaller federal gov't. Given the general mindset of America today, I guess that does make me a radical. Fortunately, I am in the good company of men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, etc. Try reading what these men and others wrote and you'll see how far we've strayed from their original vision of federal gov't. I am quite happy here; satisfied with my job, my home, my community and for the most part, my country. I just happen to disagree with those who think bigger is better as far as gov't. is concerned. If that scares you, I have four words for you: "THERAPY. Think about it."
On Fri Jul 6 10:41:41 2001 () said:
Sunnyvale, CA
On Fri Jul 6 10:37:00 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "***" -- In one word, no one. Everyone DESERVES quality healthcare. Where I draw the line is WHO has to pay for that healthcare and WHO/WHAT controls/manages that healthcare. My preference has always been that healthcare should remain privatized, away from the hands of the federal gov't., for everyone of any age. The gov't. has proven beyond any doubt they are incapable of managing a program designed for the indigent and elderly (Medicare/Medicaid). They cannot control the costs and cannot manage the abuse. I shudder to think what would result from their attempt to manage a program for all Americans.
On Fri Jul 6 10:30:59 2001 () said:
To Mr Neo Trace: can you tell me what city Steve is posting from? I want to make sure I don't live anywhere near this guy. He sounds like the next Tim McVeigh. His anti-government views should be reported for the good of this great and honorable country of ours. Steve, if you don't like our system, move to Canada. You make getting a new job with different insurance sound so easy, why shouldn't you moving out of this horrible country who steals 50 to 100 billion (by the way, are you getting that straight out of your company sales brochure?)be as easy for you?
On Fri Jul 6 10:12:24 2001 *** () said:
Steve, you have sidestepped the question quite nicely: Who - IN YOUR OPINION - is not deserving of the same level of health care as you receive?
On Fri Jul 6 10:00:10 2001 Dictionary (()) said:
Shill: (noun) one who acts as a decoy (as for a pitchman or gambler); also : one who makes a sales pitch
On Fri Jul 6 09:57:48 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "***" -- Gee, I didn't realize that the First Amendment had been repealed. Thanks for letting me know that free speech (including expressing one's opinions in an open forum) is no longer allowed. (Sarcasm intended) I'm not able to identify what supposed truth you've presented other than the liberal ideal that taxpayers should foot the bill for unlimited healthcare for every man, woman and child in the U.S. As I understand it, that is an OPINION and you are entitled to it. I happen to disagree with you -- not as a shill for my employer, but as a taxpayer who is fed up with Washington wasting every penny, nickel, dime and dollar they take from my paycheck. That is my opinion. And until today, I was under the mistaken impression that in this country we were free to express opinions, even when they happen to disagree with someone else. That's not battering anything -- until today, that WAS called free speech.
On Fri Jul 6 09:51:59 2001 () said:
whats a liberal thought reaction..??...whats a toilet of liberal thinking..??? I don't understand all these medical terms..........
On Fri Jul 6 09:48:16 2001 () said:
Dear Steve...you sound like CB if he had a education beyond the gym...prehaps you could get together...and see who gets to be on Top......
On Fri Jul 6 09:45:36 2001 () said:
whats a shill ??
On Fri Jul 6 09:44:31 2001 *** () said:
And apparently conservatives resort to generalities when cornered. My truth is as valid as your truth, so why are you trying to batter this board with your unproven *facts* and opinions?
On Fri Jul 6 09:41:42 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "***" -- Wrong -- I believed this many, many years before I worked for my current employer. The real reason I have no credibility with YOU is that I disagree with you. That's a typical liberal thought reaction. When you are faced with facts, you resort to trying to tear down the other person. That's why having a constructive discussion is nearly impossible with liberals. They cannot stand the light of truth.
On Fri Jul 6 09:27:50 2001 *** () said:
You have no credibility because you are a shill of the insurance industry. You have an agenda here to push your own objectives.
On Fri Jul 6 09:18:23 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "***" -- I think we do quite well providing emergency care for those who have no insurance or money to pay for that care. The rest of us absorb the cost of that care in higher premiums, co-payments and higher medical costs in general. But I am not willing to open my wallet to the federal gov't. to suck out more of my hard-earned money to fund some bureaucratic nightmare such as federally-controlled healthcare for all. If the Medicare program alone can waste (as in throw away completely) $50 to $100 billion a year, how astronomical would the waste be for a federal program that covered everyone. How much more in taxes would we be forced to pay to cover this monstrosity? I'm just not willing to watch more and more of my money flushed down the toilet of liberal thinking just so someone like you can "feel good" about your fellow man.
On Fri Jul 6 09:03:34 2001 *** () said:
I do not have a line to draw because I believe that relieving human suffering has no price too high. Where will Steve draw the line? Which sick person, IN YOUR OPINION, does not deserve the same high quality of health care as you have? C'mon, please list - IN YOU OPINION - what conditions should or should not make a sick person deserving of the same level of health care as you receive. Where is your line? To whom could you look in the face and deny care? Or are you spouting the insurance industry party line?
On Fri Jul 6 08:56:39 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "***" -- What a laugh riot! I needed that today; thank you! You were the one who suggested that "we" provide everyone with healthcare no matter who can or cannot afford it. All I asked was -- where will YOU draw the line? Why stop at healthcare? Is housing, clothing, food not equally or more important? Just curious at where you would stop. Anyway, Medicaid/Medicare is a disaster, like most federal programs. Estimated waste and fraud is between $50 and $100 billion a year. It's amazing that we can continue to support this kind of program -- it's only due to the amazing productivity of the American work force that this can continue. As for changing insurance companies -- you most certainly can. Just change your job or go private. Many insurance companies offer private coverage -- for a price. And as for proving coverage, Congress took care of that in 1996 with HIPPA (Health Insurance Protection and Portability Act). All your employer does is provide you with a 1 page certificate saying when and how long you were covered for insurance. My job in danger? Hardly, but even if it were, I can easily get another one.
On Fri Jul 6 08:41:29 2001 *** () said:
Take a deep breath, you are losing it. We are talking health care, not TV and clothing. And you are already paying for government subsidized health care in the form of Medicaid. It would not cost you more for this country, which considers itself to be the greatest nation in the world, to simply guarantee health care to anyone who needs it. People in this country can not "drop" their insurance companies at the first whim when they are covered by their employer. They must first prove that they have other coverage. The federal insurance would not take you if you are privately insured. So here is the question: are you afraid that people would be dropping their insurance companies and endangering YOUR JOB? That seems to be your point here, doesn't it? Go back to APing, you were smarter that way.
On Fri Jul 6 08:34:37 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "***" -- I think it would be wonderful to provide healthcare to everyone no matter what they can afford to pay. But who picks up the tab for those who supposedly cannot afford to pay? How anxious are you to open your wallet to that great sucking sound coming out of Washington, DC to pay for all this healthcare for everyone? Why stop with healthcare? Everyone should be entitled to equal levels of housing, furnishings, clothing, cable TV, PC & Internet access, etc. ad infinitum. Where do you draw the line on this great dream of equality without cost? As for gov't. research, that is the best oxymoron I've heard in weeks. The gov't. does little except to regulate testing and quality to a greater or lesser degree (remember the fiasco with Rezulin?). Trust Washington, DC with guarding my health and providing my healthcare? May whatever greater powers exist spare us from that disaster! Take a look at any gov't. program and all you can see is waste, red tape, and bureaucratic incompetency. $600 toilet seats; $350 hammers; $2000 screwdrivers to name a few. And you want them in control of healthcare?
On Fri Jul 6 08:30:03 2001 *** () said:
My comments were not "complaints". I am in favor of the Patients' Bill or Rights and wanted to present the other side of the issue that you have been talking about. You have an opinion, but it is not your place to decide what is right for Americans. You only get one vote. And lay off Canada already.
On Fri Jul 6 08:23:22 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "()": You have some valid complaints. However, consider that health insurance companies are not in business for charity -- they are in it to make a profit. What you have described is what we call free enterprise. If you don't like your current plan/coverage, you can always shop for different coverage. Or you could pay for everything yourself. However, when you accept a health insurance policy, you enter into a contract with definite limitations, exclusions and benefits. That's the way things work here. Of course, there's always the alternative of moving to Canada, paying a flat $125 a month and accept their way of doing things. As for me, I'll stick with what I have. It isn't perfect by a long shot, but it works for me.
On Fri Jul 6 08:09:52 2001 *** () said:
The Patients' Bill of Rights is all of our concern. I believe that everyone is entitled to the best health care possible, not just what they can afford. Or would you prefer to *punish* a sick person, maybe even {shudder} an illegal immigrant by denying them or their children health care? And before you condemn that "beauracracy", take a minute and think: how would my own life and health have been affected if it had not been for government research? Every aspect of your health care has been affected for the BETTER, from the quality/purity of your medicines to the education of your physicians. Do you honestly think that you would have access to such high quality health care if everything was privately funded? Or do you suppose that profit-seeking corporations would attempt to deliver the least amount of R&D for the most money? Don't kid youself.
On Fri Jul 6 00:48:08 2001 CB () said:
Steve, your comment about the "Patient's Bill of Rights" is well-taken. This area is NOT Congress' concern! With a multitude of laws to repeal and bureacracies to dismantle, there is no time for this!
On Thu Jul 5 20:35:40 2001 kay (kdchan@teleclipse.net) said:
Thought I would check in and see how everybody was doing. It has been hot and raining in Mississippi. I have been doing ok. I am now on Amaryl and Actos. Dr has added Altase for blood pressure. Does anyone else take Altase? Take care of yourselves everybody!!! Kay
On Thu Jul 5 17:01:58 2001 () said:
Steve, I have been screwed, as have many others here. I figured you worked in healthcare, since that's a mighty good package you got there. Good for you, but I am willing to pay large sums of money for coverage. When I pay that and they start declining coverages I call that getting screwed. When they up and put limits on doctors appointments, limits on amounts of pills, test strips and anything else they can as they RAISE their premiums, I call that getting screwed. I am sure you are right that people do think they should get everything for nothing, but I am willing to pay for it, and I don't get it back in fair coverage. I also think the doctors get screwed. I look at my EOB's. On a 250 bill my doctor will get about 35. And they say it's "fair" pricing, but then not only does the doctor not get any money, he then has to pay his/her nurses, administration, rent, insurance etc. That percentage is hard for the doctors to conduct business, so they crowd as many patients in as possible to cover it, and we don't get as good service. All because the insurance company doesn't want to learn what "fair" really is. And then people like me have their doctors go off of certain policies and if you want to keep that doctor then it's straight out of pocket, even after you paid your premiums to the insurance. I don't know your definition of screwed, but there is mine!
On Thu Jul 5 16:49:49 2001 Steve (same as before) said:
Sorry for the double-post -- I hit my "Refresh" button instead of "Home."
On Thu Jul 5 16:49:00 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
Dear "()" -- This is the first time in nearly 20 years where I've had the benefit of paying $0 for my health insurance. And yes, I do consider it a blessing. Working for the parent company of the health insurance company helps, too. But as for getting screwed on a daily basis by the carrier, I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Part of the problem I see (and I am guilty of this also) is people wanting the ins. company to cover everything anywhere anytime all the time -- especially without it costing me anything. I've heard the horror stories of true incompetency/stupidity by some companies, but what most people refer to as "being screwed" is simply not getting everything you want, everytime you want it, whenever you want it -- with "it" costing you $0.
On Thu Jul 5 16:37:31 2001 () said:
Steve, you may pay $0 for your healthcare but your company pays for it. I don't know one person here who wouldn't want your healthcare, but most pay for their insurance and can't afford the great coverage you have. Don't use your situation as a measuring stick, it doesn't measure to the rest of us who get screwed on a daily basis by our insurance.
On Thu Jul 5 14:37:42 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "A Canadian" -- I don't believe any country has a stranglehold on a perfect healthcare system. For example, you pay $125/month or $1500 annually for your healthcare coverage. I pay $0. Earlier Marc B indicated problems like waiting for hours in the doctor's office or waiting 6 months to see a specialist. My wait is usually 15 min. or less and I can get an immediate referral and an appt. with a specialist within days. The cost of Metaformin ($29.00) or Diabeta ($33.00) -- for me both would be only $5.00. My point was this: the U.S. system may not be perfect (just look at Medicare for a prime example), but seeing what Congress has done with Medicare makes me want to fight tool and nail to keep our healthcare system OUT of the federal gov't. hands. Perfection would be very hard to achieve this side of heaven, but what I currently have is much, much better than the prospects I see coming from Washington, DC. Everything they touch becomes FUBAR (fouled up beyond all recognition). They may have good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I prefer my healthcare at a more moderate temperature.
On Thu Jul 5 14:10:34 2001 A Canadian (xx) said:
Steve, you are absolutely wrong saying those things about the Canadian Heath System. It is true that for certain operations there is a waiting list, but if it is urgent, that operation will be done first. So the operations which can wait and not urgent, yes, those people make the noise about it and that is what you read about in the US papers. If they are urgent and they can not done immediately, the Government will pay to have them send to the US and it is paid for them. Now regarding getting appointments. I have never to wait any longer to see my GP than one or two days. He can refer me to any specialist I want. Again when I had an head injury the specialist saw me right away and I got all treatments done right away. Never had I to fill out your endless forms, they don't exist Steve. Cosmetic work has a waiting list of course. I can choose ANY doctor to go to at ANYTIME. You need a doctor referral to see a specialist and that referral is good for 6 months if you want to see him again. I really don't know where you get your stories from. You are connected with the medical system or drug companies in the US???? People over the age of 65 get all their drugs without any more payment than paying an fee for the pharmacist of average $5 or $6. Under 65 you pay about $ 125 per month for the plan or somewhat more depending on which Province you live in. Drug prices????? In the last 60 minutes TV program, you could have seen American seniors coming to Canada by the busload to buy their drugs and one lady stated on that program that she saved $ 1,000. on her purchases. Steve, I will assume that you have been mislead by the wrong info from sources interested to gain from that info. God Bless America and all the victims of your medical and drug consortiums. God Bless the Canadian Medical and Drug plans and quick access to the hospitals for the URGENT cases. May you have the politicians who will free you from those interests that benefit from high Medical and Drug prices. We just shake our heads when we read about your system. According to "60 minutes" people pay the highest drug prices in the US. Amen to that.
On Thu Jul 5 13:36:02 2001 orabi () said:
is there any body here tried VANADYL SULFATE to decrease b.s ? if yes what are the dose&results thanx
On Thu Jul 5 13:31:40 2001 () said:
YOU'RE RIGHT IS JUST ME LEECHING OFF THE TAXPAYERS YOU HORSES ASS
On Thu Jul 5 12:20:31 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
To "()" - You have a point about welfare, which is why I oppose the gov't. taking over my healthcare. The gov't. knows only how to create and sustain bureaucracy. That bureaucracy is designed to enslave people (much like welfare does) and the bureaucracy grows larger as it consumes more tax dollars. Look at Canada - while all Canadians may have healthcare, I question the quality of it. Would you like to wait 3, 4, 6 months for an appointment, have to complete endless forms to see a specialist or pay even higher prices for prescription drugs? It seems to me that anything Congress touches it messes up. We're better off when Congress is in recess - at least then they can't make things worse.
On Thu Jul 5 12:01:27 2001 *** () said:
And you get your data on how many people at this board are on Medicaid/Medicare from where? I have gotten the impression that many are cared for under private pay insurance/HMO plans. Or is it just you that is leeching off the tax dollar of hard-working Americans?
On Thu Jul 5 11:53:11 2001 () said:
Well Steve, the founding fathers had no idea that we would have the overflowing population breeding and turning out 3rd and 4th generation welfare families which will destroy anything but a Federal health care system...which also would include, as CB says ..the fat cow diabetics that post on here....
On Thu Jul 5 11:45:14 2001 *** () said:
It's an insane spiral. When your blood sugar is high, your body is burning carbs faster and you begin to lose weight. When you get the blood sugar down, the insilin starts to turn every bit of carbohydrate it can grab into body fat. You could try eating more protein (meat, eggs, cheese) and less starch/sugar/milk and see if that helps. The other meds you are taking are also working with your insulin to turn the carbs into body fat. I'm right there with ya, trying to just not gain.
On Thu Jul 5 10:56:43 2001 sabrina grugel (sabrina_and_bob@yahoo.com) said:
i am insulin dependent and i've gained about seventy pounds in about six months. i've been on the insulin since november of 2000, and the weight is starting to catch up with me. i also am taking tenormin, elavil, florinef, and zantac. i also was on the contraceptive shot depoprovera. i quit taking that in march of this year. does anyone have any information that they can pass on to me about the sides effects if any, on insulin? thank you for your time
On Thu Jul 5 10:48:21 2001 Toad () said:
Hi all... Kind of a dreary day today, but the temp is nice. Great for a ball game this after noon...Marc? When are you going to learn not to respond? You allow yourself to be irritated. In turn the rest of us have to scroll further and further down the page to read actual posts from friends and fellow D's with something of interest to say. Come on, my friend. You're better than this. We as D's rejoice (and struggle at times) with selfcontrol and disappline (sp). Exersize some here. Use the posts you want to respond to like a re-enforcement tool. Before you start typing take the time to ask yourself a question. What is more important to you. Keeping self-control? or Giving into tempation and giving control to someone or something else? For me, I don't feel good about myself when I hand control to anyone or anything else willingly. If nothing else, look through the latest postings here. You are helping to chase our friends away from posting. I know you don't want that anymore than I do. Ignore the stupidity, my friend... Ignore, Ignore, Ignore......
On Thu Jul 5 09:04:02 2001 Steve (stevew_johnson@hotmail.com) said:
Actually, CB has a good point. For example, the current proposal for the Patients Bill of Rights is simply a step toward federally controlled healthcare (a la Hillary Clinton). Big gov't. thinks they know whats best for you, i.e., they control all aspects of your life. That's not what the founding fathers had in mind when the wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. If you read those, you'll clearly see they envisioned a small federal government, not the bloated monstrosity we have today. I'd rather keep the management of my health between me and my doctor, not me, my doctor and the Congress.
On Thu Jul 5 08:53:54 2001 () said:
CB YOUR SOUNDING LIKE ONE OF THOSE GOVERMENT HATING RELIGIOUS PSYCOS THAT LIVES IN A LOG CABIN AND TEACHERS YOUR CHILDREN HOW TO KILL PEOPLE....???
On Thu Jul 5 01:38:39 2001 Marc Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
I will say this once only:to whoever and what ever keeps posting these insulting replies to me:What do you want from me? I have never mistreated you,O,and you know that I have as much right (as another diabetic) to be on this chat as anyone else. I'll make it clear:I'm proud to be a Canadian. I am proud of my country's medical standards. You probably are aware that Banting (Of London,Ont) made so many discoveries that helped diabetics. No,our own medical system isn't perfect,(and Premier Mike Harris is wrecking the medical care in Ontario) Years ago,my family considered moving to the USA;we felt,however,that staying in Canada,with the very fine and distinguished doctors,plus the fact that under OHIP,we don't pay for most medical services. Waiting many hours in the doctor's office,or waiting six months,(or more) for important medical specialists is one of the problems all Canadians face. The cost of certain diabetic drugs in Canada:(esp if they're brand names,I don't like to take generic ones) examples:"Avandia"=$92.00. Under my health care coverage(company) I pay only $5.00. "Metformin"(Glucophage)=Full price:$66.00. I pay $29.00. Blood pressure drugs(Ace Inhibitors) Monopril:$105.00. I pay $5.00. Diabeta:$58.00 I pay $33.00. These are just a few examples. Marc Bernstein.
On Thu Jul 5 01:24:48 2001 () said:
hi
On Thu Jul 5 01:24:20 2001 lisa () said:
any1 here
On Thu Jul 5 01:23:17 2001 lisa (leapard_print13@hotmail.com) said:
asl every1
On Thu Jul 5 01:14:53 2001 CB () said:
Thoughts on July 4th. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights from above, not the leftists in Congress. Would that those dangers to American experiment, Boxer, Feinstein, Daschle, Gephart, would be recalled from office and replaced with supporters of Constitutional Gov't, that is, SMALL gov't. BTW, OUR Medicare is not correct, since others taxed involuntarily to subsidize your medical needs. A retiree might be covered by his/her company"s health plan if Medicare were not there. States of course may have programs like that, but Washington CANNOT!!!
On Thu Jul 5 00:40:33 2001 () said:
FULL MOON TONIGHT.....MARC B DOES THAT MAKE YOUR HEAD HURT ?
On Thu Jul 5 00:38:42 2001 () said:
Intrestingartical in New Science on composting human bodies...sounds like a good idea....how about it, Marc B..????
On Wed Jul 4 22:31:13 2001 Marc Paul Bernstein (mbernstein165old@yahoo.com) said:
Wrong again,O!! Yes,I think there are many advantages to our (Canadian Socialized Medicare) it works for me. As a diabetic,I need to see alot of specialists,not having to pay is a feature of the system that helps a great deal. The costs of medical appointments,MRI C-Scans,diabetic drugs-it is so high. Without this system,plus a very good drug plan that my company Famous Players pays for,I wouldn't be able to afford the specialists or the important diabetic drugs that help make my diabetes controllable. Marc Paul Bernstein.
On Wed Jul 4 19:24:08 2001 () said:
MARC B.
On Wed Jul 4 13:13:49 2001 ()'s enemy () said:
() as usual you are wrong. It couldn't be John. He lives in Canada and has no relationship to Medi-Care. Canada has socialized medicine which is where we seem to be heading. If socialized medicine sounds good to you try talking to some of the Canadians about how it works.
On Wed Jul 4 12:22:18 2001 () said:
Tue Jul 3 18:56:00 2001 EYE SPY = CRYBABY JOHN.....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
On Wed Jul 4 10:43:37 2001 () said:
Dear CB, how has Medicare dried up health care and price medicine beyond reach....this sounds like a very narrow and short sighted statment....could you explain more ??? also, as it seems you have no personal need for Medicare and medical people ..what privite programs do you know of that we can expect to replace our Medicare ?..please list these.....

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