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On Wed Jun 6 23:24:11 2001 Suzy (in Syr) said:
Now that I am on Ameryl and
have read the warnings that state you might be 2 and 1/2 times more at risk for
heart disease due to a study that somewhat indicated those results has anyone
that has taken it had any input from their Md re same? It has been helping my BS
but is the cure worth it? My Doctor has pooh-poohed the study but I am anxious
about taking it! Any of your thoughts or knowledge re same would be appreciated.
Thanks!
On Wed Jun 6 21:30:19 2001 Jean ((me)) said:
I've been visiting this site
for four years now. Gordo has provided me with all kinds of information. CB has
provided me with all kinds of information. So have a number of other people. I
have taken it all and examined it and compared it to information from other
sources. I have applied some of it and adapted some of it and tossed out some of
it and ignored some of it. This is not a "one size fits all" disease, but I
welcome all the input I can get from others' experiences -- from whatever
source. It's then my job to sort it out as to how it applies to me. My thanks to
everyone who takes the time to share the information they have from their own
experiences, which I believe is what this site is supposed to be all about.
On Wed Jun 6 20:41:33 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink,net) said:
(): How many
patients or consumers of professional nutritionalists have ever been
sufficiently or successfully educated to "go it alone without the professional
expertise". These so called professionals ASSUME that their customers are
uneducable thus need the professional help for the remainder of their lives.
Good CASH COWS, and what a predictable income. Neither CB nor I charge for the
so-called misinformation that we attempt to impart to the uninformed being. I
don't know where CB's understanding comes from but mine comes directly from
publically televised video tapes of Nutrition Class lectures taught to Nursing
Students at Rogers State University at Claremore Oklahoma by a PHD instructor at
Oklahoma State University's College of Osteopathic Medicine at Tulsa Oklahoma.
Regarding the flaxseed oil that CB recommends, to the general diabetic poster
that wants nutritional information and has the basic intelligence to comprehend
that the oversimplification touted by the misinforming AP's, that cannot think
or learn for themselves, speak from gross ignorrance. The USDA "stats" on
flaxseed oil is 1 TBSP weighs 13 gm, 114.9 kcal, 13 gm total fat, of which only
1.222 gm is saturated fat, and 8.58gm is polyunsaturated fat( the kind that
causes problems for heart patients). Much of this has been said many times on
this forum however we have to admit that the agitators are completely
non-observant of the positive information that can help diabetics with their
nutritional education. The human body requires balance in the nutrients that it
needs. If the AP understood the body's needs, maybe he/she/it would be of some
benefit to the diabetics that need help from us. Ho hum, what else is new. Keep
up the good nutritional information, CB. Some of it may rub off to these AP's.
At least, some of the lesser informed, that can stomach the crud posted by the
AP agitators, can gain something from their frustration. Gordo
On Wed Jun 6 20:26:37 2001 dangerous girl (princess-peach@hotmail.com) said:
whats up man how r you
On Wed Jun 6 20:25:20 2001 dangerous girl () said:
how old are you you
bot
On Wed Jun 6 19:54:57 2001 () said:
I thought Gordo was a Diabetic
Doctor....???
On Wed Jun 6 15:38:43 2001 () said:
MAYBE HE WILL HAVE TO KISS
CB.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
On Wed Jun 6 15:29:48 2001 Faith (same) said:
Marc - what do you have to pay
up w/if you lose? MMMMMMMMMM????
On Wed Jun 6 15:28:28 2001 () said:
Oops, meant CB,
On Wed Jun 6 15:21:59 2001 Ron (n/a) said:
Well CBC, looks like you have
been found out after all!
On Wed Jun 6 15:12:48 2001 () said:
DEAR CB.....FLAXSEED OIL PER TBSP HAS
120 CALORIES AND 14 GRAMS OF FAT. 14 GRAMS OF FAT!!!!!! 14 GRAMS OF FAT!!!!!!
YOU ALWAYS TOUT THIS FATTY OIL YET YOU ACCUSE US OF EATING DIETS MOSTLY OF
FAT????? ILL BET YOU ARE 350 POUNDS AND YOU PICK ON US TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL
BETTER. YOU AND GORDO SHOULD STOP PRACTICING "NUTRITION EXPERT" BEFORE YOU TWO
REALLY HURT SOMEONE!!!!!!!LEAVE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS WHO KNOW HOW TO
INTERPRET TEXTBOOKS!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Wed Jun 6 14:19:06 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE EATING WHAT
CB SAID TO EAT
On Wed Jun 6 12:19:50 2001 () said:
CB, why do you assume that those that
attack you eat mostly fats and carbs? What are you saying, only fat people think
your an idiot?
On Wed Jun 6 11:39:05 2001 () said:
I dont know any true diabetic that eats
'mostly carbs', since we ALL KNOW that they turn to sugar any way. CB are you
mentally challenged??? Or do you just need to 'save us' from what we all know
any way??? You act like your the only one here that takes care of their
diabetes!!!!! BUZZ OFF WANKER!!!!Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
On Wed Jun 6 11:32:24 2001 CB () said:
Sigh!! Do I understand that
nutritional and physiological facts are not welcome here? To the AP's, personal
attacks are irrelevant to nutritional practice and objective facts. I have
shared what can be found in any nutritional textbook. To those who have attacked
me, keep eating mostly fats and carbs and see where you wind up!
On Wed Jun 6 11:31:25 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Hey
CB... not too sure how great it will be being sent from Philly though? Misty...
good luck at the doc today, hope that's for a check up and not any addition
problem. Herb... you have so many things on your hands, I hate to see you let Mr
all caps bother you. I know I speak for most that no explanation to anything he
says to you is needed. Actually, no explanation to anything he says to anyone is
needed. Take care......Marc
On Wed Jun 6 11:24:10 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
Good morning to
all! I have ben so busy trying to catch up with wash,flower planting, doctors
appointments and food shopping I feel like I need a rest vacation! The weather
here is finially warming up a little. ....Herb, Family is the best medicine for
the tuff times but I know the powers are strong! .....Faith, I am sure Marc and
Jim will love ever bite of the melted choc. it comes from a win! Must go get
ready for the cardiologist appointment at Univ. of Penn. Have a good day all.
Love & Luck, Misty
On Wed Jun 6 11:17:41 2001 CB () said:
Hey Marc!! Philly cheese? Enjoy!!
Even I have had those on occasion. They taste great.
On Wed Jun 6 11:15:01 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
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On Wed Jun 6 11:00:15 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
To () ALL
CAPITALS: Surely you are not so self impressed with yourself that you believe
that it makes one bit of difference to me where you post or where you monitor. I
post and monitor on several different boards. When I am posting a general
information post such as on the health of my daughters I use the cut and paste
feature and post basicly the same message on each of the boards. The reference
to the source of the strawberry pie recipie was just that. It is a great recipe
regardless of its origin and if you like I will share it with you. Herb (Bear)
and Jodi
On Wed Jun 6 10:51:50 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
FAITH: Thank
you for your sweet expression of concern. Right now my main concern is for Jodi.
She is beating herself up terribly bad over the hereditary aspects of this
thing. Once again THANKS Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Wed Jun 6 10:10:39 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Faith... of course we are worth it, and don't play it you don't wanna pay! I
will be looking for my chocolate soup soon! So Scott from Philly wants to bet me
a Philly Cheese Steak for the finals. I wonder what Gordo and CB would think of
my munching on a Philly Cheese and Chocolates!No PONTIFICATING here, just having
a little fun......Marc (t.p.i.t.a.)That's for a very special friend
On Wed Jun 6 09:32:10 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Herb, thanks for
the update. You and the girls are still in my thoughts and prayers. It is so
nice to hear that you are able to maintain your BG's levels under all the stress
you have been under lately. Marc and Jim, ok, I've got the stuff, but I'm not
sure you two are worth the cost of this. I also hope the chocolates make it to
you both w/o being one big glob. Oh well, as soon as you get it, pop it into the
freeze. That should firm them up. BTW, I tried the chocolate, mmmmmmmm, they are
sure good! LOL Gordo and CB, just keep on keeping on with the posts. We all can
take what applies and disregard what doesn't. Hope you all have a great day. Hey
Bambi, how's it going?
On Wed Jun 6 08:58:41 2001 () said:
HERB,WHY DO YOU KEEP TRYING TO SHOVE BWD
DOWN OUR THROATS????GORDO,THE TRUTH IS THAT I THINK YOU AND CB ARE BOTH
KNOW-IT-ALL-WANNABES THAT PREACH WAY WAY WAY TO MUCH.
On Wed Jun 6 08:35:53 2001 () said:
DEAR GORDO YOU FORGOT TO ADD THATS JUST
YOUR OPINION
On Wed Jun 6 02:25:34 2001 cb (squat freak) said:
I apologize to anyone I
have offended. I am only telling about what works for me, not the rest of you.
But, if one person out there is helped it is worth it still.
On Tue Jun 5 23:43:42 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink,net) said:
(): You don't
have the foggiest idea of what I know or what I have forgotten. CB has by far
the best overall grasp of nutrition of most people posting here. CB and I differ
in the natural food items and types of exercise, but he still has a lot of sound
nutritional knowledge, no matter what you think of him (or me). Gordo
On Tue Jun 5 17:36:51 2001 Herb (Near) and Jodi (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Hi
Everyone: Well with the exception of the situation with Beth and Becky
everything seems to be speeding to normal for the Shaws. Beth is still slownly
getting stronger and we are all anxiously waiting for Becky's test results.
Tomorrow our ex boss (from the boy's camp) and his wife are coming down and
parking their travel trailer on our drive way and staying with us for a few
days. Three other couples that used to do volunteer work for us at the camp are
coming over Thursday afternoon and evening and we are going to have a domino
tournament. Kevin is coming back on the weekend to do some more work on the
house. Greg and his family won't be here this weekend. Carolyn has a book fair
she has to go to. She home schools their kids and this is where she sells her
old school books and buys new ones for the coming year. Katie (Kevins 6 year
old) is getting ready to have her tonsils out the same day that we will get
Becky's test results. We just had 2 of Michelle's Greg's 11 year old) paintings
framed and have them hanging. We have notified all the kids that Fathers Day
weekend that if they just insist on doing something to the house that it will
all have to contained on Saturday because the best Fathers Day gift that they
can give Papa is for all of them to go to church with him on Sunday morning. My
blood sugars have just been doing great. My fishing tackle project for the grand
children is coming right along. Jodi just came in with 1/2 a flat of
strawberries to make the BWD Cooking srawberry pie for our company so I guess I
had better go cut them up for her. It sure is great to not hear about so many
problems among all of you. All of you just keep on keepin' on! Herb (Bear) and
Jodi
On Tue Jun 5 17:12:40 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
I
enjoyed reading the e-mail I got while I was gone. Oh, I did respond.
CYA......Marc
On Tue Jun 5 16:55:24 2001 () said:
also CB don't forget about risky gay
sex....
On Tue Jun 5 15:01:05 2001 () said:
We dont believe you CB. Gordo has forgot
more than you could learn in 100 lifetimes......
On Tue Jun 5 14:16:23 2001 Faith (same) said:
Ok, scratch the last post, I
FOUND SOME!! Will get some this afternoon and try to get them in the mail
tomorrow!! GO 76'RS GO
On Tue Jun 5 14:08:12 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc and Jim, ok
guys, I've got the chocolate, but Jim, I can't find any sugar free "Spicy" (just
kidding) jelly beans. I found some fat free w/4 cal per bean. That isn't what
you are talking about, right? Still looking!!
On Tue Jun 5 13:46:45 2001 CB () said:
Funny, indeed, that my nemesis has
not responded to one specific point I made last night! ...not one. Secondly,
he/she does not know what my diet intake is. He/she should know that tight bs
control is the best insurance against complications, not insufficient
calories/nutrients. Tight bs control is no guarantee though. Many here would
concur wioth that. At the risk of continuing in this rut, undernutrition can
cause a host of problems: muscle loss, joint problems, immune system trouble,
slow healing of cuts and bruises, circulatory problems, etc. I am done with this
for now.
On Tue Jun 5 10:31:03 2001 2u (()) said:
8:58:35 - is a sick 'puppy'!
On Tue Jun 5 08:58:35 2001 () said:
CB,I HAVE PROVED YOU WRONG ABOUT SO MANY
THINGS THAT I HAVE LOST COUNT,EVEN MY FELLOW BODYBUILDERS AGREE THAT YOU ARE ON
A HIGHLY POSSIBLE COURSE OF DIALYSIS AND MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH YOUR DIET.I'M NOT
GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU ON THIS,LITTLE MAN.OH,AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE ASKED TO
SHUT UP DO TO THE MALARKY YOU ARE SPEWING.
On Tue Jun 5 03:11:02 2001 CB () said:
A REPEAT. SINCE PROTEINS ARE TO BE
MONITORED, CONSIDER THE QUALITY AND THE SOURCES. THE BODY CAN MANUFACTURE ALL
BUT 8 AMINOS. THEREFORE, POORER QUALITY PROTEIN SOURCES (PLANT SOURCES) ARE BEST
"BEEFED UP" BY AMINO ACID INTAKE. THE GOAL HERE IS NOT TO INCREASE PROTEIN
AMOUNT, BUT THE QUALITY OF THE PROTEIN. SINCE DIABETICS THROUGH THEIR DIETS AND
DISEASE TEND TO BREAK DOWN MORE QUICKLY WITH AGE, IT ONLY MAKES GOOD SENSE TO
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RECENT SUPPLEMENT DEVELOPMENTS TO MAINTAIN LEAN TISSUE. I HAVE
MENTIONED GLUTAMINE, WHICH FOR MOST PEOPLE IS PERFECTLY SAFE TO USE---IS A
FOOD!!! BRANCHED CHAIN AMINO ACIDS ALSO ARE SAFE FOR MOST PEOPLE. AGAIN, THE
IDEA IS NOT TO INCREASE PROTEIN, BUT MAKE IT BETTER QUALITY. FOR EXAMPLE, IF
LUNCH CALLS FOR 2 OZ MEAT AND 4 SERVINGS OF STARCH, PROTEIN WILL BE AROUND 22
GMS. BUT ONLY 14 ARE COMPLETE. ADD THE LACKING AMINOS AND YOU GET MORE OF THE
ESSENTIALS. THIS IS STANDARD STUFF. AGAIN, TO (), I EXPECT YOUR IGNORANCE TO BE
MANIFESTED IN A VERBAL ATTACK OF ME. CB aka SQUATFREAK
On Tue Jun 5 00:46:10 2001 CB () said:
Shut up, ()? If what I said about
glucerna, head lettuce, and fats is wrong, say WHY! My guess is, you CAN'T! And
if I am right, it makes good sense to follow the suggestions, doesn't it?
On Tue Jun 5 00:41:52 2001 CB () said:
To 16:50, CB and Marc are different!
Now, why should I "shut up" when issues of health and nutrition are so
critical?! Why should I "shut up" when healthy foods are condemned? Tomorrow, I
am attending a support group for Diabetics, the subject of which will be
"exercise", a subject I do know something about. I certainly hope the lecturer
is up-to-date. That will be evident very early in the presentation.
On Mon Jun 4 21:57:47 2001 () said:
SUPPORT FIRSTSTRIKE
On Mon Jun 4 16:50:36 2001 () said:
I THING MARC AND CB ARE THE SAME
PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Mon Jun 4 16:31:24 2001 () said:
ANYONE ELSE NOTICE HOW PEACEFUL THIS
BOARD IS WHEN MARC IS AWAY???????? LOOK MA,....NO AP's!!!!!!!!!!!
On Mon Jun 4 14:05:49 2001 Herb (Bear) and Jodi (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
What a weekend this was. Both boys came with their families again. I have
become convinced that one reason they are doing this is to keep their Moma
occupied with the weekend activities so she won't have time to become depressed
over the situration with Beth and Becky. She spends all week planning menus
buying food and getting ready for them to come. We bought this old house before
I got real sick and was still capable of fixing it up. Now all I can do is
advise and recomend. We have assured them that with all the work they are
putting into it that it will be theirs when we are gone. We gave $50,000 for it
in pretty sad condition. Right now it would bring $150,000 if we had it
finished. We are doing everything first class. This weekend the boys worked more
on the soffets and facia boards as well as adding R30 insulation to what was
already there in the back half of the attic. They started on the insulation
project at 10:30 PM after they had worked all day on the soffets and finished
the insulation at 3:00 in the morning. Jodi had bought some flower bed edging
bricks that are round on one end and concave on the other end so you can arrange
them in all kinds of shapes. So she and the girls built a 6 ft round flower bed
in the fron yard around the stump of a big cedar tree we had to take out after
the ice storm. (I've never liked cedars anyway) they put 400# of potting soil in
it and planted flowers all weekend. Most of what they planted was already
blooming so it is real pretty. Even if it wasn't I wouldn't tell Jodi, she does
not have a whole lot of happy things in her life right now. Beth is still
getting stronger. With special permission from Dr. Minor she and Rick went out
for a little while Saturday night. It was the first time she had been out of the
house except for trips to the hospital or the doctor in months. Dr. Minor is
very careful and gets in no hurry. Becky is scheduled to take just about every
test known to man. She will get her results on Tuesday after the 4th of July.
Jodi is scheduled to go with her. She wants her Moma there due to Jodi's nursing
training and the research that Jodi and I have done on Masto. She feels that her
Mother will better understand what Minor is saying and will know what questions
to ask. The cell phone has proven to be one of the best investments we have
made. We have totally eliminated our long distance bill with the other phone
(which was running $150 to $200 a month} and have yet to exceed the free minutes
we get for our $50 a month. I had another episode Friday night where my blood
sugar was unexplainably 337 at bedtime and 58 Saturday morning with no extra
insulin. Other than that my sugars have been remarkably stable within the
desired range. The boys are coming back Fathers Day weekend. Later this week my
ex boss and his wife are going to come and park their travel trailer on the
driveway and stay a couple of days with us. I have let this get way to long so I
had better close now. Will see all of you later and hope that all of you are
dong well. Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Mon Jun 4 10:07:11 2001 () said:
SPORTSBET.COM
On Mon Jun 4 09:38:39 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc and
Jim-haven't forgotten, packages will be on their way soon!!! GO 76'RS GO Had to
get that in, I really don't care now!
On Mon Jun 4 07:51:10 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning
everyone. Marc- Even though they haven't played game 1 yet, I think it's all
over but the cryin' in Philly. Jim
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