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On Thu May 31 23:36:39 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink,net) said:
Marc: CB is correct as far as he went. There is a second essential part of natural handling of cholesterol in the body. CB's part covers the removal of LDL from the cells and getting it to the liver for removal. The second part is the action of soluble fiber's role in keeping the cholesterol that the liver dumps in the bile from being re-absorbed from the gut back into the bloodstream. The soluble fiber aids this inability to reabsorption of the LDL in the gut and permits the excretion of a large part of same. This also helps keep dietary cholesterol from being totally absorbed into the blood. Gordo
On Thu May 31 22:59:09 2001 () said:
Hey......what ever happened to Bambi.........????
On Thu May 31 21:12:25 2001 () said:
borage oil is used in the treatment of mental illness.
On Thu May 31 19:25:01 2001 CB () said:
For high cholesterol, taking flaxseed, fish oils, and borage oils as part of the meal plan might help. Also, looking for COLD PRESSED oils for cooking will help as well.
On Thu May 31 19:01:17 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Can I cut in and talk diabetes? My A1C was.....6.2. But the bummer is high cholesterol and now on Zocor. I was about to attempt to get life insurance again so I don't think that will help, but the 6.2 will. CYA....Marc
On Thu May 31 18:24:24 2001 () said:
() can't you be more original than that. You know the childrens response to preadolescent name calling. Sticks and stones - - - He He He He
On Thu May 31 17:19:50 2001 () said:
shemale
On Thu May 31 16:39:18 2001 () said:
He He He He your not only out at this turn at bat your completely out of the game!!!!
On Thu May 31 16:19:14 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
I just got back from an interesting round of golf. I met a personal trainer with a massive working knowledge of diabetes, and another guy with a father and sister both on the pump. Interesting conversation we had. Well I am off to the Doc to find out my last a1c, not looking forward to this lecture! SAM... I got it mostly from Yahoo business news, the stock symbol is MNMD and I don't remember Medtronic but Yahoo has a symbol lookup tool. Also Minimed website at www.minimed.com has up to date info. Take it easy.... Marc
On Thu May 31 14:42:57 2001 () said:
GIVES YOU A SICK FEELING IN YOUR GUT TO GET CAUGHT HUH FAITH????
On Thu May 31 14:33:57 2001 () said:
YOU GAVE IT AWAY WITH YOUR 'SPACE' BETWEEN THE DASH,YOUR USEING 'YOUR' INSTEAD OF 'YOU'RE' AND THE WORD SOOOOOOO,PLUS THE CLUE 'I'M NOT JOHN BY FAR'. REALLY FAITH,WE EXPECT MORE FROM A RELIGOSE NUT!!!! GOD WILL GET YOU!!!!!.
On Thu May 31 14:33:10 2001 *** (???) said:
14:28:21 Strike two!!!! One more and your out!!!
On Thu May 31 14:28:21 2001 () said:
FAITH YOU SHOULD NOT AP LIKE JOHN
On Thu May 31 14:23:47 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Herb - Vent away! It was great you and Jodi got to go and celebrate. I hope you have gotten the ole BG's back under control. I know what you mean about good ole Mexican food. I have to go out once and awhile and enjoy it everyonce in awhile too! Remember, you and yours are in my prayers and thoughts!!
On Thu May 31 14:13:39 2001 *** (???) said:
Oh, who's the CHUMP now???????????
On Thu May 31 14:12:38 2001 *** (???) said:
Hey 13:05:18 - Your wrong again, I'm not John by far!!! Just using you way of commenting here to afford your tirades directed to me by email or some other tactic. Sooooooooo, guess again!!!
On Thu May 31 13:18:46 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Boy, did I ever blow it last night. Tomorrow is our 43rd anniversary and I took Jodi out for mexican food. We both love good mexican food and it had been a long time since we had some. I ate way to many chips with salsa and to many tortillas and my blood sugar at bedtime was 220. I didn't take any extra insulin or anything and my blood sugar at breakfast this morning was 54, go figure. It has rained here all week so far. But Saturday and Sunday are supposed to be cloudy with no rain. I certainly hope so with the kids coming back. Jodi is out working in her mint bed. We love mint in our tea and she is trying to get a mint bed started where the drain line from the air conditioner drips water. I've got to get off here and call the lumber yard and get some more lumber and a sheet rock outside corner so we can sheet rock and bed and tape the bathroom where the girls took out the wall. Today is the day that Becky goes to see Dr. Minor (The Masto specialist) and I'm so nervous I can't hardly sit still. If Becky has it too I am extremely worried about how Jodi is going to handle it due to source of it being the mother in it's weird hereditary origins. I sure appreciate you guys letting me let off steam in my upset state. I don't know what I would do it I didn't have some place to go on about things and vent. Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Thu May 31 13:05:18 2001 () said:
HEY EVERY ONE JOHN IS BACK AT 12:48:20.WHAT A CHUMP!!
On Thu May 31 12:48:20 2001 ### (???) said:
10:59:51 - you are getting to be so boring. Please go away and let yourself get some help!!!! What did your last post have to do w/diabetes, hmmmmmmmmmm????!!!!!
On Thu May 31 10:59:51 2001 () said:
CB,.....PROZAC IS NOW AVAILABLE IN GENERIC FORM....TAKE SOME OF YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND GET SOME OF THESE.......
On Thu May 31 10:47:23 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
Marc...where did you find the data about medtronic buying out Minimed? Please send on...very interested. Looks great!!
On Thu May 31 09:31:11 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Ladies, (or anyone that has to take calicum and has trouble swallowing those 'horse pill'), my doctor put me onto a chewable calicum. It's called Viactiv. It comes in little soft squares in three flavors. I can't remember one of them, but the two I've tried are chocolate and carmel. THEY ARE GREAT!!! I'd never heard of them, but maybe some of you have. They have 20 cal. to a chew, and they recommend you take 3 a day, preferrably w/meals. Herb- you don't have to bother with the idiots on here. Just ignore and keep sharing your trials w/us. WE CARE!!!
On Thu May 31 08:59:04 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning everyone. Marc- You're welcome, anytime. I just figured I shouldn't be the only one getting credit for smack. Herb- Sometimes it's terrible the trials and tribulations one is put through. It's also terrible that an idiot (or idiots) on here has to pick on a troubled or hurting person. You don't deserve that and neither does anyone else. I apologize for them, as they can't be from our human race. They have no compassion, and no clue as to what that is. If I can be of any help to you or your family please email me. You talked a while back about starting to walk with a prosthesis. How's that been going? Hi Gordo. Jim
On Thu May 31 05:34:31 2001 CB () said:
Something that I agree with! Got a newsletter from a support group in my area. The newsletter warned against the "Valsava Maneuver" which involved holding the breath while lifting heavy weights. The right way to breathe while lifting is to breathe out when pushing the weight. For example, in the Squat, breathe in when going to the low position and breathe out while pushing the weight up. Much better on the blood pressure. There was also a reference to "counterregulatory hormones" produced by exercise in type 1's. I am sure cortisol is included. Therefore, use of moderate doses of glutamine can help. Unfortunately. the article did not mention it.
On Thu May 31 00:04:49 2001 Anita (aeallman@piggott.net) said:
Hi yall, rain rain rain, but the cooler weather surely has been nicer. I hope the coming weekend is great for everyone, and I am so glad to get a few more great friends back on my email list. Thanks for writing guys. Love yall and have missed you. Love Anita PS, BS is doing great and the blood sugar, too. lol
On Wed May 30 19:43:29 2001 Someone Tired of () () said:
To {}: Please get off of this site. We are trying to help each other here, not run each other down. Take your garbage somewhere else.
On Wed May 30 18:45:55 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
To () ALL CAPITAL LETTERS: I really can't believe that you are as ignorant about diabetes as you profess to be always asking "What does that have to do with diabetes?" and now "Is this the Masto site?" If you had even a smattering of knowledge on the subject you would know that everything in a diabetics life affects his or her diabetes, especially anything stressful. If you don't think that losing a grand son and now preparing to lose a daughter to a disease that could run rampant through your family is stressfull you are even more ignorant than I originally thought. We are supposed to band together here to help newbies and each other. The kind of comments you make help absolutely no one. They only create strife and bickering. But, if you think you can drive me away from here like you have others I'm sorry you are not mean enough or sorry enough to accomplish that end!! Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Wed May 30 16:35:26 2001 Faith (same) said:
Herb - My thoughts and prayers are w/you and Jodi. What you are going through, I pray you will be able to handle and to continue to manage your diabetes.
On Wed May 30 15:31:44 2001 () said:
IS THIS THE MASTO SITE NOW....???
On Wed May 30 14:27:39 2001 christy (behind a firewall) said:
Finally! My endocrinologist has been hinting at this since December. Now it is actually an event with a count down. As someone with no interest in the pump until it became a "smart" device, I am finally very, very interested. Two years can really go by quickly. Can't wait!!
On Wed May 30 14:19:42 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Christy... this is only an assumption because we don't have the real product to draw from, but I would think that it covers and adjusts like the basal rate does, but I would think that you still need to be pro active in regards to carb counting and covering manually for foods. So although Minimed's website uses the term "artificial pancreas" to me I think that would be inacurate. It would be a "smarter" device, but unless I am wrong there would still be human eliment to it. But Christy if that is the case, that is really easy to do. So if you get "curious" to other pump questions, feel free to ask. And that is so right, 2 years is nothing. JIM..... thank you for pointing out my smack in my post to Faith, and here I thought maybe she didn't get it. But thanks to you! Hey, remember you just posted about not knowing delivery and I am laughing right now, so no e-mail asking if I am mad! But that is so true, the written word is so misunderstood. I think all of us have written many things that with a verbal delivery would have a totally different meaning than the written word. But hey, we got what we got..... Marc
On Wed May 30 14:18:42 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
We got a surprise this morning. Our kids called to say that they weren't happy with what they got done this past weekend and that they have had a family war conference and are coming back this coming weekend and fathers day weekend. I don't know what we ever did to deserve the kids that we have. We've got a surprise for them fathers day weekend though. They are not going to be allowed to work. It will be a play weekend. And, they can all go to church with Papa. Beth is sloooowly getting stronger. She is occasionally eating something although her system will not digest it and it goes straight through. Our youngest daughter Becky has an appointment with Dr. Minor (The Masto specialist) tomorrow for some tests due to the hereditary nature of Masto. She suffers from what has been diagnosed as asthma and has allergy problems. All of which could mean nothing but due to the mockingbird nature of Masto we are not willing to gamble. I don't know how Jodi will deal with it if 2 of her daughters have it??? Our oldest daughter who is the nurse in Albuquerque has shown no sign yet but I believe that she is going to be tested as well. The only problem is that the disease is so rare that most doctors react to questions about it by saying "Masto What?" so she is having trouble finding a doctor that she would have confidence in to do the testing. We are advising her to come to OKC and see Dr. Minor. By the way Jodi served the strawberry pie from the recipie on BWD Cooking and it is delicious. Even our kids who normally shy away from anything sugar free gobbled it up when there were several other desserts here. My blood sugars are doing great. The only trouble I had this weekend was with a few lows. Supervising is hard work don't you know. Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Wed May 30 14:14:42 2001 Faith (same) said:
CB, goat milk? I can't even stand cow milk unless it has chocolate in it! LOL
On Wed May 30 14:04:06 2001 CB () said:
To (), thanks for "The History of the Diabetic Diet." It is intersting that the ancients recognized the benefits of oatmeal! Speaking of oatmeal, pass the goatmilk! heh heh
On Wed May 30 13:23:58 2001 christy (behind a firewall) said:
Finally! My endocrinologist has been hinting at this since December. Now it is actually an event with a count down. As someone with no interest in the pump until it became a "smart" device, I am finally very, very interested. Two years can really go by quickly. Can't wait!!
On Wed May 30 13:15:18 2001 Jim (s) said:
Yes Faith, I know you're only kidding. I think I remember Herb posting one time, that that's the problem with typing something. People can't see your emotions "live" and they always wonder when somebody is serious or not. Usually if I think someone is serious, mad or something like that, I'll email them and ask, while hoping they would return that courtesy to me. Other than that, I WAS serious about the Cuyahoga River, in Cleveland catching fire in 1969. It was so polluted that a railroad car carrying molten steel across a bridge that spanned it, threw a spark and it caught fire. This caused the "EPA Clean Water Act" to form. Beautiful river now. Too bad there isn't something along these lines to cause Congress to fund more research for diabetics. Jim
On Wed May 30 12:11:24 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc- this is wonderful news!! It would be wonderful to not have to check the blood all the time. Thanks for the info. Jim, you do know I'm only kidding back, right? I like the Spurs, mainly because of the type of men most of them are. But, my world didn't come to a stop because they fell apart. Your right, it's just a game. But dang, I was looking forward to those chocolates!! LOL
On Wed May 30 11:55:28 2001 (The History of the Diabetic Diet) said:
The History of the Diabetic Diet The earliest recorded diabetic diet is in the Papyrus Ebers, which was written in about 1500 B.C. Those ancient physicians advocated wheat grains, fruit, and sweet beer-in other words, a high-carbohydrate diet - "to drive away the passing of too much urine." Most recorded diets over the next millennium were rich in carbohydrates. Then in the late 1700's, Dr. John Rollo, a British physician, came up with a radically different plan: a low-carbohydrate diet high in fat and animal protein. The diet, built on "blood pudding and old rancid meats," probably was low in calories, too, because of its extreme unpalatability. Variations of low-carbohydrate, low-calorie diets were advocated for the next 150 years or so, with a few notable exceptions, such as one that was mostly oatmeal. In the 1850's, a Paris physician suggested a diet of 125 grams of sugar candy and two portions of meat. Several of these early doctors noted that periodic fasting or calorie restriction seemed to help. In 1912, Dr. Fredrick M. Allen of New York's Rockefeller Institute devised a near-starvation diet of 1,000 calories a day. Such low-calorie regimens, even though they did not allow for proper growth and resulted in extreme emaciation, may have prolonged life for a few Type I diabetics. Still, without insulin, the diabetes would grow progressively worse and the person would die. All of this changed dramatically after two Canadian researchers, doctors. Frederick Banting and Charles Best, discovered insulin in 1921. A 13-year-old boy, Leonard Thompson, was the first patient to receive the hormone injections. He was treated with regular insulin injections for five months, and with normal blood-sugar levels, the boy was released from the hospital as cured. He was back a few months later, weighing only 60 pounds and again near death. This time, it was recognized that the injections would not provide a cure but that he could manage quite well so long as he received them daily. His diet was high in fats, moderate in protein, and relatively low in carbohydrates. Under this regimen, the boy began to grow and, until his death from pneumonia in 1935, he led a relatively normal life. Since then, a great deal has been learned about insulin dosages and diabetes control, and over the last 50 years dietary recommendations have been revised several times. Even though insulin injections are not as precise as the body's own system of secreting the hormone in response to need, we have learned a good deal about the fine tuning of insulin dosages and matching the hormone to food intake, exercise, and other variable factors. Today's diabetes specialists and patient educators also recognize that "there is no single, specific food plan suitable for all individuals with diabetes." Recently, the American Diabetes Association has modified its nutritional recommendations. This includes the role of selected vitamins and minerals and guidelines for food labeling. Source: Total Nutrition, Victor Herbert, M.D., F.A.C.P and Genell J. Suback-Sharpe, M.S.
On Wed May 30 11:24:38 2001 Jim (s) said:
Marc- Although most of us type II's not on insulin are not helped by this immediately, maybe it will flourish into help for us down the road. I'm happy for you guys. Faith- You should read Marc's post again. He's smacking just as hard as me. I never was a lousy winner. I'm a Cleveland fan, remember? I've heard it all: Mistake on the Lake, Cleveland CLOWNS, The Drive, The Fumble, A city who's river caught on fire (True story) and many many others. Just a game though, right? Jim
On Wed May 30 10:43:20 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Faith and other PUMPERS... I have been reading about the Medtronic buyout of Minimed. It looks as though Medtronic has the technology for an implantable censor for heart rates. It looks as though they will use that technology to help Minimed further develop their implantable blood glocuse censor that will talk to the pump and make adjustments on it's own, basically an artificial pancreas. It was years away with Minimed but with Medtronic bucks and knowledge they say it will be brought to market within a couple of years. This is great news for so many reasons. My biggest problem is the dawn phenom. So this thing will detect the raise, add insulin until it levels out and then back off, all while you sleep. Takes some of the human aspect out of running the pump and makes corrections based on programed basal rates. And this is now right around the corner. Just thought I would bring you all up to speed on what that buyout will mean to some of us.......Marc
On Wed May 30 10:10:56 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Jim, Jim, Jim!!! I bet you were a lousy winner when you were a kid too!! LOL Hey! I know, the Spurs just gave up! Don't know what it means for the team future wise, but something is bound to happen! Marc-As I sit here right now, I feel that I could never go for SCR! I'm not for abortions in 'most' cases, so I don't believe I could accept help from anything done under those conditions. BUT, as Jim said, this is a controlable disease, not like some cancers. What would I do under those circumstances, to be honest, I don't know!! It's a lot to think about!
On Wed May 30 09:35:10 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Medtronics just bought out Minimed... didn't see that coming. Jim...smacking Faith about a choke, man that is low. I mean isn't losing by an average of 25 in a sweep bad enough, not coming close to taking one game, watching their star in Tim Duncan almost cry, isn't that enough for her to bear? As for the SCR, I appreciate your opinion. I thought the question would stir more of a discussion, but I guess it may be too touchy. Like you, I wonder how many people would choose death over a cure by way of a certain research.Take it easy....Marc
On Wed May 30 09:12:20 2001 Jim (same) said:
Faith- Yes, I wanted to make sure you got the address quickly. Don't forget to give Marc 1/2 of them. Just need to be careful that they don't CHOKE me. You know, they ARE from Texas like the Spurs! LOL that!
On Wed May 30 08:43:54 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning everyone. Marc- You gotta watch us Cleveland fans. I'm 50 miles away from downtown. I'm kind of torn between the issue you were asking about. I can't say that I agree with abortion or stem cell research, but I'm not 100% against it either. Since diabetes is a managable disease, unlike cancer, I wonder what the concensus would be if SCR would produce a cure for a terminal disease if you were the person who had it? Would it change your convictions and beliefs? I don't know if a person could truly say no unless that was the case. Myself, if I had terminal cancer I would want the research to cure me. Jim
On Wed May 30 01:51:10 2001 CB () said:
To (), 10:18"59 CALVARY CHAPELS DO TAKE REV 20 AS WRITTEN. INSPIRATIOM AND EXEGESIS ARE TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. BIBLICAL DOCTRINE AND DIETARY/EXERCISE PRACTICE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT. I JUST DO NOT SEE MUCH BENEFIT TO STABDARD DIOABETIC DIETS IF YOU STRESS THE OL" BOD AT WORK AND IN WORKOUTS. PEOPLE DIFFER THOUGH! MAYBE SOME CAN LIVE ON IT.
On Tue May 29 15:34:41 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Faith... I sent you an e-mail, but been having problems getting delivery. So if you don't get it, let me know. Your answer on SCR is what I was interested in, I guess from everyone. That is, would your belief system hold up to it's convictions (is that the right word) under those circumstances. Kinda a human nature question. Also... Herb is going through a lot right now, can we PLEASE show him some compasion... Marc
On Tue May 29 14:16:51 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
(): You are sadly mistaken. It was 4 years ago when we lost Corey as a combined result of his illness and the bombing. No one in our family is or ever has entertained the idea of suing anbody. It is a fact that his desease is always fatal. We would have lost him at a later date if not then. When he was diagnosed at 18 months we were told that he would not live to see his second birthday. But we had him until he was 6. I know that I said that we lost him at age 10 the other day. That was a typo. He would be 10 now. We are just thankful to have had him as long as we did. He was a gutsy little guy. He never once gave in to feeling sorry for himself or crying about his situation. I have to remember him whenever I get to asking "Why me Lord?" concerning my health. So we have all concentrated on looking forward instead of back. Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Tue May 29 14:06:46 2001 () said:
Herb,,,so you're looking to place blame, and sue I suppose....and full of your anger...oh well....
On Tue May 29 14:06:00 2001 Faith (same) said:
Marc - I feel at this very moment that I would 'not' use the results of the SCR. But, that is my personal feelings at the moment. I'm so opposed to that type of research, that I don't think I would take that route even if it meant a cure! Hey, where's your address BTW.
On Tue May 29 13:44:58 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
That was pretty much my point also. There are many who won't buy products tested on animals, things like that. So taking it to the extreme, would you stand on a high moral ground or take the cure? I am interested in how people would react, obviously knowing they could not know exactly how they would react. This S.C.R. (stem cell research) has 2 very strong sides to it, and if things progress it very well may lead to the cure of many diseases. But there is strong opposition to the research itself, which again I truly understand. But do you cross that line if it effects you or a loved one? By the way... this is meant as thought provoking, not fight provoking. Thanks.... Marc
On Tue May 29 13:34:47 2001 () said:
To Marc W: "On Stem Cell Research... I am curious, how would you all feel if that is where a cure came from?" How do you think the average person would know or be able to determine this? What if your country doesn't make the discovery? Are all the prescription drugs, home remedies and cleaning products that are in your home developed through high moral standards? Do you have any ideas about what they do with human bodies that aren't cremated or buried?
On Tue May 29 12:23:06 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Faithie...I cracked up at that, his was my first e-mail I got today! I think though that we need to show compasion for him, I mean he is in Cleveland, between football and basketball he is toast, so lets let him enjoy his Lakers win! Hey Jim, I get to say that when my football team goes 1-15 last year! On Stem Cell Research... I am curious, how would you all feel if that is where a cure came from? Would you not take the cure because of where the research came from? I understand objections to the research, it wouldn't be my first choice either, but morals aside for a second, would those that strictly oppose this research then still take the benefit of it? And if the research is immoral, would then be the cure? This is the world we live in and this is a question that many will face, not of this generation but those future generations. I think it is interesting. S.C.R. is not only diabetes, but cancers and many other deadly diseases. So if anything you have is cured through "immoral" means, do you take the cure? .....Marc
On Tue May 29 11:58:43 2001 Faith (same) said:
Jim, did you have to be so 'Johnny on the spot' with your address. LOL As soon as I find those 'Spicy' sugar-free jelly beans, I'll get them off to you!!
On Tue May 29 11:52:38 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
FAITH: There are 2 sides to the coin on her diagnosis. Masto is often refered to as the mockingbird disease because of what it does. When the mast cells go systemic and start attacking the different body systems it will create the exact systems of any number of diseases. Our grandson Corey was treated for diabetes, asthma, allergies and several other diseases before he was succesfully diagnosed. He was in effect a victim of the OKC bombing even though he was no where near the Murrah building that day. Normally the Red Cross is in charge of all major disasters. But in this case the FBI was in charge. The morning of the bombing he was in Childrens hospital waiting for surgical implant of a central line feeding tube. When the bobm went off the FBI put all the hospitals on code black. (Normal procedure) This meant that in order to get into a surgical suite you had to be a bombing victim. Corey was dressed and sent home. The FBI kept the hospitals on code black for 2 weeks despite the fact that all the serious surgical cases were delat with in the first few hours. In fact the number of victims requiring surgery were very limited. What we had was a small number of seriously injured, the dead, and large numbers of walking wounded. It would have required an executive order from the governor to get Corey in. We could not get the governor nor anyone on his staff to even talk to us since we were not directly related to the bombing. Without noourishment and the meds suppllied through the central line Corey began a downward spiral that ended in his death. What I don't understand about the failure to diagnose Beth is that she is the mother of a child that died with Masto and it is entirely a hereditary disease. I would think that someone should have seen this. With the research we did on Masto when Corey was alive Jodi had seen what she thought were signs of Masto in Beth. kBut Beth did not want to face the posibility and refused to discuss it with her] doctors. And with out Beths permission the doctors could not discuss it with Jodi. With regards to my statements about the bombing please understand that my knowledge in thie area comes from years of service with the Baptist Disaster Relief Team. Herb (Bear) Jodi
On Tue May 29 11:31:56 2001 () said:
HERB AGREE WITH MARC YOU SHOULD TRY TO GET YOUR NASTY RACE COMMENTS CORRECT BEFORE YOU POST THEM
On Tue May 29 11:10:19 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Ok, Jim and Marc, I'm back with my tail between my legs! Ugh, oh how I HATE to admit defeat! But, what can I say, the Spurs were just out played! Send the addresses and I'll TRY to get the jelly beans to Jim. Spicy, right Jim? LOL! Marc chocolate with nuts! BTW, to add my two cents, I feel the most promising possible treatment, if not cure, of diabetes is the zenotransplantation of islets. It doesn't involve the distruction of embryos but the use of islets from pigs. They are incapsulated and placed in the stomach cavity. They then release just as our pancreas should. I'm not at all for the stem cell research. Just my opinion!!! Hey Herb, I'm so sorry for your daughters results. But, what is more upsetting is that it took the doctors so long to discover what was wrong. Please know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. Anita, you are a trip!!! Your going up, up, up again!!!! Have fun!
On Tue May 29 11:03:46 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Hi everybody: We had a good weekend with 2 of our junior Shaw families here with us. We all missed Beth and Rick. They have always enjoyed these family get togethers so much. Jodi and I have gotten a cell phone that has 500 prime time minutes and 2,000 off peak minutes so Jodi can stay in real close touch with Beth. At $50 dollars a month that is worlds cheaper than the long distance bills would be. The boys were busy bees this weekend they put up new insulation and re-sheetrocked the ceiling in the den. All we have to do now is to bed and tape it and then paint. We were hung up on this project because the fancy lighting system that Rick had 90% installed had to be finished before we could put the ceiling in. We hired a local electrician last week to finish the wiring. The boys also got new soffet boards installed about halfway around the house. Grandma bought a 10ft wading pool and a badminton set to entertain the grandkids so they wouldn't be a problem to their parents. Our daughters in law worked their tails off doing yard work and tearing out a bathroom wall that was in the way. Beth's doctor (The new Masto specialist) called her insurance company and told them that they would provide home health care or he would slap her butt back in the hospital. He said that on second thought he would put her in ICU and they could pay for that. She now has a visiting nurse every day. The dressing changes are down from 4 to 3 times a day. This is great. We just can't afford to spend so much time up there. It's not so much the money as it is the way we eat and the lack of any kind of a schedule. And Jodi gets so totally worn out trying to take care of both Beth and me. Here she worries but the phone has helped that a lot. Better go I have bored you guys quite enough. Herb (Bear) and Jodi
On Tue May 29 10:43:52 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Herb.. to clear up any misconception, the jewish comment was aimed at me, not CB. Just a blast from the past, nothing more....Marc
On Tue May 29 10:19:43 2001 () said:
Thats ok Herb..we still feel sorry for you.....oh well....
On Tue May 29 10:18:59 2001 () said:
CB,THE CALVARY CHAPEL DOCTRINE PREACHES UNITY AND A GREAT DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY.ARE YOU SURE THAT THIS FITS YOU THE WAY YOU ACT ON HERE????ONE THING THAT MAKES NO SENSE IS THAT THEY 'BELIEVE IN THE IN-ERRANCY OF SCRIPTURE' YET THEY REJECT REVELATION CHAPTER 20 ON THE LITERAL 1000 YEAR REIGN OF CHRIST ON EARTH.ARE YOU A HYPOCRITE????????
On Tue May 29 09:56:00 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
CB: I was aware that you are an evangelical. But I found it somewhat amusing that in an attempt to cut you that you had been accused here of being jewish and then catholic. We too are evangleicals belonging to the Southern Baptist Church just like Faithie. Herb
On Tue May 29 09:44:33 2001 Squats (JOIN US!!!!!!) said:
Witches League for Public Awareness and the Circle of Salgion Church of Wicca in Rehoboth, are needing members.
On Tue May 29 09:43:21 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Jim....Faith was gone for the weekend. Smart move on her part. I am sure she will resurface soon. I hope Philly wins because Iverson versus Kobe would be fun to watch. I gotta plan a business trip this morning so I will look in later to see how Faith's weekend was... Marc
On Tue May 29 08:22:06 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning everyone. Up and running from a nasty virus that someone sent me. Norton anti-virus didn't even recognize it. Marc- Mmm mmm mmm! Isn't victory sweet in more ways than one? And you doubted me that they would sweep. I read all the chat (???) that I missed and I don't believe I saw any postings from FAITH? Faith- I'll send you and Marc my address for the pay-up. Now remember, only a sore loser would send me sugar-free SPICE j-beans instead of fruit. Jim
On Tue May 29 07:57:06 2001 () said:
Hummm...CB, is that one of those queer churches ????
On Tue May 29 03:47:33 2001 CB () said:
Herb, I am not in the Roman Church. I attend a Bible=based evangelical fellowship.

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