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On Sat Apr 14 20:55:18 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
I
want to take this time to wish everyone a Happy Easter and hope you all enjoy
your families tomorrow. Faye
On Sat Apr 14 18:54:10 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
BS this
morning was 238, have no idea what I did different from the last couple of
weeks. Just one of those things I guess. Went for Breakfast with my Aunt and my
younger brother was there as well. Had a wonderful time. Hope everyone has a
beautiful Easter Sunday.
On Sat Apr 14 15:57:36 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Sue: Interesting post on
sorbitol. I do better on fruit than pasta! We all are different! On Thursday, my
food intake was more in line with that of many people here. After one day, I
lost bodyweight and strength. Back workout was pitiful! Did better today though!
Have a blessed Easter/Passover!
On Sat Apr 14 11:23:58 2001 () said:
shame shame shame
On Sat Apr 14 11:08:54 2001 Gayla (critter@telepath.com) said:
What we must
understand is we say thing we don't really mean and do things we don't want to
do when we are out of control. Since my blood sugars are more stable I don't get
as upset at the things going on here...I read and if I have anything to say or
advise then I make a comment...I feel like you are all a part of my family...I
hope that you all feel the same..I am doing really good and only have 7 more
weeks of pregancy left and I can't wait my basil rate has been bumped up to 45
units per day and doing 12 to 14 units bolus now much higher then before...If I
test high the next few days I will have to bump up somemore..Well that is the
news with me Hope everyone has a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Sat Apr 14 08:44:31 2001 () said:
On Fri Apr 13 16:27:57 2001 Marc
(sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said: Man Gordon, that is one of the reasons I
stay away from here. THEN WHY COME BACK MARC??? On Fri Apr 13 17:21:38 2001
Gordo and Marc (A/B) said: What's the matter with you two. You two have always
been the foundation members of this board and very respected by all. Only one
person benefits by this exchange between you and I'm sure that is not what you
want. So how about an invisible handshake by internet and layoff the argument.
You both are way to valuable to the members of this board to let this happen.
JOHN V. WHO VOTED YOU MODERATOR??? GO BACK TO TELLING NAZI ANTI-WOMEN JOKES
JOHN. IS WHAT YOU ARE GOOD AT!!!
On Fri Apr 13 23:27:55 2001 () said:
Hey CONCERNED....some of uS like
wolves....Gordon just got out of line....you should see the insulting reply you
get if you write him on e mail and question anything he has said.....
On Fri Apr 13 20:45:39 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
My brother
just e-mailed me that my other brother said that I can keep the documents he
sent down. I am so glad. I've talked to a lot of people and preserving them is
going to cost some money but it will be well worth it for me. Good luck to
everyone on their fight with diabetes. Marc glad you got some good news and that
your eye is better.
On Fri Apr 13 20:26:40 2001 Sue (alder51@yahoo.com) said:
Will someone
please explain to me 'why' sorbitol is used is just about everything 'sugar
free' or 'diabetic'. All this hype about how 'safe' it is for diabetics is Bull.
Case in point....if I get 1 drop of sorbitol in my system, my sugars go 300,
400, or higher within an hour of ingesting and STAY there for 3 days straight.
If I eat fresh fruit, the same thing happens! Fructose is converted to sorbitol
in the liver..... No amount of extra insulin, exercise, lack of food or all of
the above will touch it. Only when it's out of the cells and out of my body do
my sugars go back down. If it affects me that way, how many other diabetics are
being totally screwed up and told they are 'noncompliant' (like I always was
before I got wise)???? By the way, I've been diabetic for over 46 years!
On Fri Apr 13 20:07:02 2001 Concerned (////) said:
After all Gordon has done
to help us you people turn on him like a pack of hungry wolves. If that don't
beat all. Shame
On Fri Apr 13 19:34:39 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc - good news
on your eyes!! Glad to hear it. Hope you and the pump are doing ok too! Ralph
and I are on good terms as always! Faith
On Fri Apr 13 18:58:28 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Marc--Forgive me for not congratulating on your vision.. I am so happy for
you, as I know the trouble you have had.--I don't know if you knew that my
daughter Cathy was just diagnosid as having adult onset type 2 diabetes. We are
working together and she is the main reason that I joined WW. I could do it on
my own but she can't. She quit smoking in Oct and gained so much weight . She is
just on the new glucophage and feels if she loses the weight , she will be OK.
Her BS levels have come down and most of the time they are around 120/30. I am
proud of her attitude and know she will be alright with help and I am there for
her. If all newly diagnosid could have a friend for support, that understands
what being diabertic is, it would surely help. This board has helped me so much
for the past 3 years. It doesn't seem possible that I have been here that long.
Have made many friends and have understood what being a diabetic really is and
FINALLY!!!!I have learned that I am the one that has to take controll. I have
known but never really did what I was suppose to and resented the fact, as I
think it is only natural at one time or another for all of us. So to all you new
folks, it is a normal reaction to resent, feel angry, and feel like you are
alone. YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!!WE ARE HERE FOR YOU AND EACH OTHER, Faye
On Fri Apr 13 18:35:15 2001 () said:
Marc were on your side...don't give in
!!
On Fri Apr 13 17:50:53 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Marc. Good news on the eye!
I hope your struggle with eye problems is over. The scientific community has
made many advances in D care. At the same time, there is still the tendency to
ignore clear differences in people. Gordo: I just got a pocket sandwich called
"Power Pockets".Yjry are low fat and organic. Carbs are 47, with 9 gm sugar, and
protein is 31 gm. Fat is 4.5 gm. Info is at www.powerpocket.com. For some here,
only 1/2 will be allowed. Just shared that because health organic food is a
little hard to find.
On Fri Apr 13 17:25:22 2001 JOHN V. ( type 1) (MARC.) said:
Marc,...like to
say how happy I'm about your good news about the eyes. It is good to hear about
some good news. Hope it is permanent. JOHN V.
On Fri Apr 13 17:21:38 2001 Gordo and Marc (A/B) said:
What's the matter
with you two. You two have always been the foundation members of this board and
very respected by all. Only one person benefits by this exchange between you and
I'm sure that is not what you want. So how about an invisible handshake by
internet and layoff the argument. You both are way to valuable to the members of
this board to let this happen. JOHN V.
On Fri Apr 13 17:16:44 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
I for one
think you should all continue to post because of all the good and varied
information you all give. Everyone one of you do a great job of keeping new
diabetics informed. So what if you have different opinions? This would be a
boring and uninformative board if all the thoughts and opinions were the same.
We are all different, we have different thoughts and opinions and different ways
of saying things. Gordo, Marc, John V, Sam, Faye and so many others to numerous
to name all say the same thing but in different ways. That is that all diabetics
need to listen up and do what has to be done. Take care of yourselfs. Eat the
right foods and exercise. Let everyone have their say in their own words and not
take offense. Sometimes we sound like we're on the defense but in actuality we
are agreeing with each other. So many different people with so many different
thoughts and so many different ways of saying it. Continue to help, thats what
we, well, at least most of us are here for, to help and to be helped.
On Fri Apr 13 16:39:55 2001 (..) said:
Marc: Lighten up. You have lashed out
so many times in the past and you think Gordon is acting defensively??? Oh,
that's right, I forgot, you don't have to play by any rules.
On Fri Apr 13 16:27:57 2001 Marc (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Man
Gordon, that is one of the reasons I stay away from here. I said nothing but
complimentary things to but disagreed with your particular take of one item, and
you come out defensive. I don't have the time nor the desire to deal with that.
Sam... thank you. I am watching the golf right now and one of the leaders is
Scott Verplank, a pump user. He wears it on his back belt loop and they have
been talking about diabetes and the pump on and off for the last hour. I don't
think it is being watched by that many, but it's good exposure none the less. So
how is that back, getting any relief yet?....Marc
On Fri Apr 13 16:27:09 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
Gordo...I
certainly appreciate your postings. I wish I'd had access to more data when I
got sick..strange bird that I am, got type 1 at 50....and even my roommate, an
E.R. Physician said I didn't have the body type, so I must not have diabetes. I
was NOT an apple, must have been a pear... Sugar was at 550 the next
day..hmmmm...would have helped to have a place to ask questions then. The
answers I needed would have been here. Some would know. Stay on, please...
On Fri Apr 13 16:01:45 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink,net) said:
Marc:
Congratulations on your eye. I hope it will make your golf game even more
enjoyable. I pretty much agree with your analysis that the information is
available for the diabetics. Much of it is over simplified and too much of a
blanket prescripton for management. My main interest is to get diabetics to
understand the critical workings of the human body from the diabetes standpoint.
Like you say, though, many do not want to put forth the effort to even read
reference material, let alone put it into practice to improve their control. I
do not post for the benefit of the diabetics that have all of the answers. I
prefer to help the newbees that don't know what it is all about. Most of you
type 1's have grown up with it prior to the age if invincibility. Once a person
get to the 40+ age level, they are not as willing to take advice from somebody a
lot younger. Type 1's had to adapt much more rapidly to their diabetes. Type 2's
don't see the immediate response to a proposed course of action as rapidly as do
the type 1's. I received a lot of information on newbee frustration on live
talking in the Firetalk Forum. Many of the newbees were frustrated because they
couldn't get a straight answer as to whether they were diabetic or not. Type 1's
don't have that problem. It is much more clearcut for them. One person had been
told for ten years that he was borderline diabetic and still didn't have a
positive diagnosis from his doctor. I myself flunked 2 insurance physicals
several years prior to my actual diagnosis and then only because of my
Optometrist, not my MD. Your body knows almost immediately when you are short or
out of insulin. Ours develops over 10-30 years before many of the complications
start showing up. Even then, many are not tested for it in a timely manner. The
almighty Blue Cross-Blue Shield of Oklahoma was the first to reject my insurance
because in a group policy, they can only reject the individual but not place a
specific limitation of that individual. They never even informed my employer as
to the reason for rejection. I also never had a history of illness or
hospitalization. In fact, I have been a patient in a hospital twice in 73 years.
Once for minor surgery and once for 3 days because of an allergic reaction to
INH to clear up a positive skin patch for TB. By working much more closely with
newbees, I can relate more closely to their confusion and frustration. I
occasionally run into an experienced type 2 that doesn't want to know what he is
up against. One of these was a very dear friend of my sister that happened to be
a Native American. He relied on the hospitals to do all of the work for him. He
is now no longer a diabetic but a heart disease statistic. People like you,
Scott, CB, John V. and many others with a good understanding of their own body
and deficiencies do not need anything from me. I will be happy to quit posting
on here if all of you will e-mail me addresses of people that don't have all of
the answers. I also will try to refrain from commenting on the published papers
of any of the powers that be. Thank you for reading my monologue. At least it
will keep the nameless ones busy for a while and hopefully keep them off you
back. Gordo
On Fri Apr 13 12:58:54 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
Marc; Congrats
with the eye results!!! You are right...I have been to a lot of diabetic support
groups (ran one too) and so many just sat & wanted to be told what to do.
They would not follow up, wanted others to care for them. The facts are out here
on the Net...anyone who wants to really take care of themselves has access.
Maybe being "pumpers", and seeing what happens to us, so fast, gives us an edge?
Type 2's are sometimes slower with control. You don't notice your skin dying
(neuropathy) until it's dead. These bad end results can lie in wait for all
diabetics. But the Mayo clinic closed down it's diabetic training area, due to
Ins. costs...maybe it's the Insurance companies as well as the Scientific
community? Faye...GREAT work!!!!
On Fri Apr 13 12:06:29 2001 John (j.b.dick@dundee.ac.uk) said:
(Linked to
previous posting.)I say that because my heamaglobin glucose count is 8ml/mmol. I
keep getting told that the target level should be between 4 and 7 ml/mmol, but
why do I still feel like Sh*t most of the time?
On Fri Apr 13 11:58:04 2001 John (j.b.dick@dundee.ac.uk) said:
Does anyone
ever feel that sometimes health professionals don't seem to realise that
everyone's body is different, and they expect you to conform to what could be
considered a medical ideal that is really just an average?
On Fri Apr 13 11:47:23 2001 Marc (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Faye.... what a great example. You knew you had to do something, you armed
yourself with the knowledge of how to do it , and you did it. And just look at
those results. Faye I can honeslty say I am so proud to be your friend. I know
how tough life has been on you and you just keep bearing down and taking care of
your business. And with so much to deal with, you of all people should be looked
like if Faye can do it, so can I. You are one terrific lady, but enough of the
lovefest. I am going to get trashed here again....... take care.... Marc
On Fri Apr 13 11:28:51 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Marc---Glad to see your post. I just want to let you know how I have been
doing. I still have the good attitude about myself, have joined Weight Watchers,
but started in Feb. when my sister sent me the food plan. I have lost a total of
an even 20 pounds, go on the treadmill almost everyday, and I sure like myself
much better. Have gone from a total of 145 units of 3 different insulins a day,
down to 25 NPH units once a day, and someime twice a day with 5 units of R
before my evening meal. Hows that for progress!!!!!!!!! Faye is finally thinking
of Faye!!!!
On Fri Apr 13 10:58:43 2001 () said:
RIGHT ON MARC....ON YOUR SIDE
On Fri Apr 13 09:48:47 2001 Marc (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
I
haven't been posting for obvious reasons, but I am compelled by Gordo's last
post. Gordon, you know I like and respect you, especially for what you do for
the newbies, I think it is great. But I have a different take. Diabetics, both 1
and 2 have all the info they need to take care of themselves. We have good
testing equipment, a great understanding of the human body and the knowledge of
what the right foods, the right meds and the right exercise could do. The
Scientific Community is not to blame for a diabetic getting sick. Most of the
time it's the circumstances, luck, or just bad control. Short of a cure, the
S.C. has given us the pump. For insulin users, most pumpers would agree that
product has made a great difference in our lives. Most of us feel closer to a
normal lifestyle, we aren't living by the clock or by sugar content in what we
eat. I know from what you have written and researched that many a diabetic here
has learned about the way we process foods and it gives us the knowledge to know
what to do and not to do. But Gordo, it is the diabetics responsibility. We must
use what we know, and so many don't. The Scientific Community should be
applauded for the advances they made, alright it was slow going, and encouraged
to continue to work towards a cure. They don't share blame in a diabetics bad
fortunes. We know enough to do what needs to be done, as long as people like you
keep informing us, ignorance is no excuse. Sorry, but that is just plainly as I
can say what I see in the Diabetic Community. OK, since I am posting this once,
I will say also for those interested that I got full clearance on my eye the
other day. It is now a fully recovered, although not much left, retina. So what
I have I should keep. Happy about that, kinda takes the sting out of what is
already gone........Marc
On Fri Apr 13 01:13:00 2001 () said:
very dramatic....
On Thu Apr 12 23:42:45 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Mr. King: I
speak only for myself but believe that many diabetics support some of my
concern. We diabetics are very concerned about our lives, our health, and
managing this debilitating disease. We cannot afford to wait around while you,
in the scientific community, finally get around to arriving at useable
conclusions that will improve our management of this disease while we still have
eyes to see with, legs to walk on, internal organs that still permit some
ability to enjoy or not suffer as much through our remaining lives. It takes
both kinds of people to deal with developing an individual management plan for
each of the millions of suffering diabetics in this world. We, the diabetics of
this world need less CYA attitude and more progress with manageing our
difficulties. Maybe we would be better off to recruit more diabetics of both
type 1 and type 2 into the higher education and research endeavors so that we
could have somebody sufficiently interested in improving the control of our
health before we die a horrible death. Please keep your eyes open for a
potential candidate for us. I will be more than happy to discuss our plight more
fully with you via e-mail. We can share ideas and efforts. Gordo
On Thu Apr 12 23:28:12 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
Finally, the
board meeting is over. Wasn't much of a meeting since there were only 3 of us
but we had a nice visit. It wasn't over until 11 p.m. though. Now I can get down
to some serious business. Type up the minutes of the meeting, scan some pictures
for the SEIDA web page and then back to the family history. Right now though its
bedtime. Everyone have a good night.
On Thu Apr 12 21:40:09 2001 () said:
Gordo....make a copy of Mr Kings post
and keep it with you when you write reviews in the future.
On Thu Apr 12 17:33:36 2001 . (.) said:
john is ()
On Thu Apr 12 16:58:48 2001 James King (jamesscience@yahoo.com) said:
GORDON: I am currently a student working on my Masters and PHD in Science.
This involves reading journal articles, plus doing my own research and writing
up journal articles on this research. The criteria to have an article published
are extensive, and often involve many years of communication with the publisher,
involving many re-writes and changes before the final product is accepted. One
key characteristic of most articles is that they are NOT reviews of all the
literature available on a subject - they are focused on one quite particular
topic. In the case of the article you refer to, I would suggest that the focus
was on the diabetic diet, and that no implications can be made about the
author's feelings towards exercise - exercise was simply not the topic. Further,
citing the relevant literature, especially recognizing opposing views, is
something that is done in almost all good articles. It is beneficial because it
helps the reader to see that there are other accepted scientific views, and
provides references to these so you can look at that research more closely if
you choose to. The final point I would like to make is that no article is
written to stand alone, nothing is scientifically verified unless there are
large amounts of data that support it. I personally found the article
interesting and well-written. I feel that all science should be approached
objectively. If you are interested in a topic it is best to read a broad range
of articles on it. There are several good articles that pertain to diabetes and
exercise.
On Thu Apr 12 16:49:53 2001 () said:
Ron, others than yourself read this, we
sure do not need your swearing and curseing on.
On Thu Apr 12 16:36:22 2001 () said:
BTW MEANS; BY THE WAY
On Thu Apr 12 16:33:48 2001 ADALBERTO () said:
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO,WHAT
IS BTW AM NEW TO THE LANGUAGE.
On Thu Apr 12 16:25:47 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
Faye >
Glad your getting your own computer before your son takes his home with him. He
must be a very understanding son, your lucky to have him. The genealogy took
another leap in the right direction today. Finally connected some dots that have
been missing for quite sometime now. Found it through someone else's work but
found it none the less. The wind is blowing like crazy around here and lost some
more siding but at least the house is still standing. Getting ready for our
monthly Board meeting. Need to make print copies of our financial reports and
gather up last months minutes and then I'll be ready. The meeting only lasts
about 30 min but we usually sit around the table and chat for an hour or so.
On Thu Apr 12 16:02:30 2001 Squatfreak () said:
ADASLBERTO: If you are
weight-training and in good health, Creatine is ok to try. BUT, if you feel
bloated and hold water from it, it is better not to use it. Protein
supplementation and glutamine are safer. BTW, what is you current food
intake?
On Thu Apr 12 15:47:04 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Ron: After
reading you post, I went back and read the entire 7 page article of Ms. Beebe,
who incidentally has credentials one paragraph long. She did point out the
complexities of diabetes management. However what I failed to read, on the first
attempt, was that she spent as much time casting doubt on the work of some of
her peers and never once did I notice any mention of the word exercise. She also
spent nearly 3 full pages on bibliographical references meaning she did her
homework to prove her point of view. The good part of her article is the point
of the complexity of the disease because each and everyone of us are very
different. Our habits along with every other key variable is somewhat different
from the next diabetic. This is true whether type 1 or type 2. The failure of a
person with both a bachelor's and a master's degree from a very reputable
University to write this type of article on management factors for diabetes,
especially type 2, without mentioning exercise in both weight reduction and
glucose control is very archaic. Calorie intake control alone will not do it
effectively. (Right CB) To make it easier for you to pull up, try the following:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0841/2_34/54654512/pl/article.jhmtl?term=Diabetes+Educator_
Gordo
On Thu Apr 12 14:22:56 2001 Sam () said:
Bovine..is cow. Like a cow.
On Thu Apr 12 12:52:43 2001 TIRED OF THE WORTHLESS PIECE OF SH** () said:
12:35:05..... PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULD NOT OWN A COMPUTER. YOU COME ON HERE
AND ADD NOTHING EXCEPT TO PICK ON PEOPLE. WHY DONT YOU JUST GO SOME WHERE AND
DIE ASSH**E
On Thu Apr 12 12:35:05 2001 () said:
SEE GORDON NOW YOU ARE DOING IT
CORRECTLY...DON'T YOU FEEL BETTER BEING HONEST....
On Thu Apr 12 11:32:12 2001 ADALBERTO ACEVES (DADDYWOWO@HOTMAIL.COM) said:
HELLO CAN SOMBODY ANSWER MY QUESTION,I AM DIEABETIC AND HAVE RECENTLY
STARTED TO WORK OUT AND WANT TO KNOW IF I CAN CONSUME CREATINE MONOHYDRATE? ALSO
SENDINGING A HELLO OUT TO GORDO,THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR THE INFORMATION.I HAVE
BEEN DOING GREAT,HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT EVERY DAY EXCEPT WEEKENDS AND MY SUGAR
LEVEL IS AT A CONSTANT AVERAGE OF BELOW 100.IT HAS BEEN HARD TO FIGHT TEMTATION
OF ALL THE FOODS I WAS USED TO CONSUMING, BUT I AM GETTING USE TO EATING THE
PROPER WAY AND HAVE SEEN GREAT EFFECTS ALREADY,LOST A HEALTHY 6 POUNDS ALREADY!
On Thu Apr 12 11:25:25 2001 () said:
15:40:20 FROM YESTERDAY. WHATS A
BOVINE?
On Thu Apr 12 11:23:31 2001 Ron (///) said:
gordo please give us your
opinion of the article. some of us want it and need it. to hell with ().
he/she/it is nothing but a cowardly buttface.
On Thu Apr 12 11:07:00 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
ALL but ():
Do a search for the article by Christine Beebe in the March 1999 issue of
Nutrition Today. It is an excellent article about the complexities of glucose
and diabetes management. Since some individuals take offense at my
interpretation of various facts and factors, I will graciously let you each
spend your time to interpret the millions of words put together in many
conflicting viewpoints to satisfy your own special needs. For those with
management difficulties that are ongoing, your educator lacks the handle to your
problems also. For you, the need for concentrated self education to improve your
own management of your diabetes is, IN MY OPINION, an absolute necessity. Only
you can know all of the minute by minute effects of this disease. I only want
for you to learn and understand the complexities of your body and the
complexities of this disease. If you can improve your understanding, you will
attain better control or at least be a better patient for your health care
provider. Take this for what it is worth as it is MY OPINION, NOT MEDICAL
ADVICE. Gordo
On Thu Apr 12 10:11:21 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Faye, so glad
you aren't going to be w/o a computer. Would have missed you greatly. Glad you
are doing ok right now. Have been thinking of you and hoping things were doing
ok. I seem to be holding my own on my BG's levels. I'm thankful everyday for
this pump!
On Thu Apr 12 08:15:07 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Good morning everyone. I have been very busy this past week and have not
posted. Have been waiting for my son to take the computer but he has decided to
wait until I get one of my own. Am ordering one tomorrow so I will not be
without one, an early Mothers Day present!!!! I have been doing great. Ruth you
have sure had your troubles. Hope the weather stays away from you for awhile.
Glad you are doing so well on your genealogy. I am doing great on mine also. I
can't believe the postings that have been going on here though. Was so hoping
that when it reopened that it would be different. Guess it was to much to ask
for.
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