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On Mon Jan 20 23:11:16 2003 Barney () said:
To 16:14 Thanks for the message
on the crackwhore, I stay away from people like that, don't have the time of day
for them. I wouldn't go to a site where you have to post my addy, Is DHD like
that?
On Mon Jan 20 23:04:27 2003 () said:
GOD KILLS
On Mon Jan 20 22:25:40 2003 () said:
No luck here on Actos, but the emails
have been a ongoing fight, the DHD group that was here demanding that the
webmasters require email addresses so people that offend them can be tracked
down and punished, and the other group that wants to keep the freedom allowed
here even thought it at sometimes becomes offensive. The DHD group makes regular
attacks here demanding that the site be shut down, citing their moral and
religious reasons for wanting this closed down. Oh well.....anyone here on Actos
?
On Mon Jan 20 21:33:18 2003 grannypj (grannypj@hotmail.com) said:
So now I
want to know does anybody take ACTOS? On emails - real names no way; default
email addresses not a chance; but if you have free email like hotmail or yahoo
you are inundated with porn anyway. Two choices with the porn - delete or
forward it to the abuse@_______ Most of it is spoofed anyway but they do go
after those dumb enough to use actual addresses. A couple of years ago there was
an individual posting with a default email and just to see how risky that is I
did some checking, came up with her name, address, phone, and an arial view of
her home. NO REAL NAMES NO HOME EMAILS
On Mon Jan 20 18:18:41 2003 Deofel Quintet () said:
Herb we will say your
name 6 times tonight, with wishes for the Order of Nine to send a Angel to you
in your sleep.
On Mon Jan 20 16:14:44 2003 () said:
BARNEY....THERE USED TO BE SOME
CRACKWHORE ON HERE WHO WOULD COLLECT PEOPLES ADDYS AND SELL THEM TO A SPAM
CLEARING HOUSE. DOES ANY ONE HERE REMEMBER WHAT HER NAME WAS???? KELLY???
NELLIE??? CARRIE???? SOME THING LIKE THAT..;....
On Mon Jan 20 16:08:26 2003 () said:
Good-Bye Faith, Hope your happy at
where ever you wind up. Maybe you'll be able to preach like you do at some other
site, or maybe they will ask you to go away also.
On Mon Jan 20 16:04:40 2003 Baarney () said:
To 14:10 I've been looking at
this site for the last 3 years, I used to post my real name, but not my address.
I have never been spamed by any one from a porn site, or any site. These people
must be dumb as rocks to post their e-mail address. Why, or who would sell their
addys?
On Mon Jan 20 16:03:57 2003 () said:
To 14:10 I've been looking at this site
for the last 3 years, I used to post my real name, but not my address. I have
never been spamed by any one from a porn site, or any site. These people must be
dumb as rocks to post their e-mail address. Why, or who would sell their addys?
On Mon Jan 20 15:15:26 2003 () said:
OK FAITH......LEAVE ALREADY!!!!!
On Mon Jan 20 15:02:17 2003 Faith () said:
God will make you pay!!
On Mon Jan 20 15:00:45 2003 Faith () said:
I've had it with you idiot AP'ers
and your ilk!! I'm not going to bother with this DUMP any longer. GOOD BYE!!
On Mon Jan 20 13:17:27 2003 () said:
Hi Frank, Not that I know of,,,,more
people seem to be on here in afternoon so someone may be able to help you
On Mon Jan 20 12:52:51 2003 Frankie (Can't someone, even an AP, answer me?)
said:
Does anyone here take Actos? If so, are you having any problems on it?
On Mon Jan 20 11:24:15 2003 Frankie (__) said:
Does anyone here take Actos?
If so, are you having any problems on it?
On Mon Jan 20 10:33:02 2003 () said:
Herd, WE asked that the Order of the
Nine Angels come to you at this time, showing you THE WAY
On Mon Jan 20 10:30:58 2003 () said:
The Ruling Council of 13, each a Member
of the Golden Dawn, Order of Templi, serving the Temple of Set.
On Mon Jan 20 10:23:00 2003 Frankie (__) said:
Does anyone here take Actos?
If so, are you having any problems on it?
On Mon Jan 20 10:22:18 2003 () said:
The Site of the nine Angels
On Mon Jan 20 10:02:01 2003 The Deofel Quintet is SATANISM!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE, GET
OUT YOU BIBLES AT ONCE! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! () said:
1)Falcifer:
Lord of Darkness 2)The Temple of Satan (aka The Witch Queen). 3)The Giving 4)The
Greyling Owl
On Mon Jan 20 09:54:21 2003 HAD TO LEAVE THE GOD CLUB AT DHD>>>>>
CANT TAKE ANY MORE>>>>>> SHEESH!!!!! () said:
Bear....
...................."I am going to place you on our prayer list at church and
send this to several prayer groups that I know. I love you all very much. I hurt
for you. Hurt because I cannot do anything for you. Sad. All we can do for you
is to lay it at the feet of God..There is a scripture in Hebrews that talks
about administering angels and I firmly believe they are with all of
you".....
On Mon Jan 20 07:35:07 2003 () said:
Deofel Quintet
On Mon Jan 20 03:14:10 2003 () said:
Dear Barney, most 'no names' on here do
so because when people posted their names they were picked up and sold to
spammers and porn sites by a person that used to be here...so don't run us down
if you do not know the history here.
On Mon Jan 20 01:46:32 2003 Barney () said:
Thanks for the info Marc, your
notes are long, but enjoyable to read. Now don't let the no names on here get to
you so you don't post any more. We welcome all your troubles, stories,
knowledge,and advice.
On Sun Jan 19 22:59:35 2003 Marc () said:
I just was re=reading the sleep
study that was posted. Pardon me,but I was taught by doctors (including ones in
my own family) that salt in large amounts could be harmful for not only
diabetes,but those who are on blood pressure drugs,who have high blood pressure.
Though I knew a friend of my late father,who had a need for salt in very
amounts,when we asked him,(he was over 84,he died at 92 years old,) he explained
he could not give a reason,except in the Nazi prison camps that he spent,he
needed salt for his health. Many foods including deli,and smoked meats are high
in salt. While very enjoyable,one should be watch their diet,eating these meats
as a special meal only. Try to work them into your meal plan. Consult with your
doctor,endo,and diabetes dietician. While there are studies proving large use of
Splenda,Nutrasweeet,(etc) harmful,they don't present the full picture. If you
must use sugar,honey,or brown sugar,beet sugar,date sugar might be better. There
is a natural sugar,used for and by diabetics,Fructose. Use it in small-moderate
amounts. Spinach:Alot of people can eat it raw,esp in salads. Very healthy. But
contains (like Rubbarb) some type of toxin,that if used too much,prevents the
body from absorbing/digesting it properly. I find it best cooked. Very little
water needed. Add pepper,(after draining) lemon juice,one or two other mild
spices,some butter,(very little) Don't overcook. If you don't care for the taste
of spinach,try swiss chard. Marc.
On Sun Jan 19 22:48:29 2003 Squats () said:
Salt loading? I hadn't seen that
before. Next time I see the doc, I will ask him. I do not restrict salt beyond
not using it in cooking. Thinking about cayenne pepper and garlic to help the
immune system. With me, glucose levels run on the low side, 114 l.5 hours after
dinner. Interesting study to say the least.
On Sun Jan 19 21:21:40 2003 () said:
Squats, Why no comment on the salt
study posted below?
On Sun Jan 19 19:19:49 2003 Squats () said:
Tasha: I used to post as CB,
then a flamer called me Squatfreak. Since I get into leg training with weights,
I adopted it. Later, I shortened it to Squats. I sometimes post on Diabetes
Station.com I also post on a by invitation only Bodybuilding site.
On Sun Jan 19 18:37:03 2003 () said:
MUST be shut down write the webmasters
now that more people can write them .
On Sun Jan 19 18:30:19 2003 Salt (and Blood Sugar) said:
9349 - 7/27/01 SALT
RESTRICTION MAY CAUSE DIABETES IN SUSCEPTIBLE PEOPLE Gabe Mirkin, M.D. A recent
study from Columbia University Medical School shows that salt restriction raises
blood sugar and insulin levels, while salt loading lowers them. Twenty-one
people with high blood pressure were given 4 week periods of salt loading and
salt restriction. Salt restriction caused a higher rise in blood sugar levels
after both heathy people and diabetics were fed a sugar load. Salt restriction
caused a higher rise in insulin levels in both diabetics and non diabetics. For
years doctors have told people to restrict salt, even those who do not have high
blood pressure. Most competitive athletes and serious exercisers know that they
cannot recover from hard exercise without taking lots of salt. It is time for
the doctors to tell their patients that salt restriction is highly controversial
and that many doctors take lots of salt themselves and tell their patients to do
the same. You should check with your doctor to see whether salt restriction will
help or harm you. RP Ames, The effect of sodium supplementation on glucose
tolerance and insulin concentrations in patients with hypertension and diabetes
mellitus. American Journal of Hypertension, 2001, Vol 14, Iss 7, Part 1, pp
653-659. Conclusion:"an abundant sodium intake may improve glucose tolerance and
insulin resistance, especially in diabetic, salt-sensitive, and or medicated
essential hypertensive subjects.". Address Ames RP, St Lukes Roosevelt Hosp,
1000 10th Ave, New York, NY 10019 USA Health Topics from • The Dr. Gabe Mirkin
Show and DrMirkin.com• Box 10, Kensington MD 20895 Transcripts of segments of
The Dr. Gabe Mirkin Show are provided as a service to listeners at no charge.
Dr. Mirkin's opinions and the references cited are for information only, and are
not intended to diagnose or prescribe. For your specific diagnosis and
treatment, consult your doctor or health care provider.
On Sun Jan 19 18:25:58 2003 Tasha () said:
Marc - yes it makes sense, taken
that any food or beverage taken in high amounts brings to further complications.
Just asked coz it didnt sound logic that salt would affect the actual rise of
blood glucose. Of course it's not recommended to anyone if they tend to oversalt
their food.
On Sun Jan 19 17:05:34 2003 Marc () said:
Hi Tasha: ok,about avoiding or I
note,using salt in limitation: type 2 diabetics are often on blood pressure
drugs like an older one,Monopril,usually given to protect both kidney function
and help control and prevent any cardiac problems. It is much older than the
current blood pressure drugs,and can cause a sudden drop in blood pressure,or
dizziness upon standing,so alot of doctors now prescribe a newer type of blood
pressure drug,to both further protect renal function,and cardiac related
problems. One of them is called Atacand. It also has fewer side effects than
older blood pressure drugs. That is why newer and more effective type 2 oral
diabetic drugs are being developed. There is also inhaled insulin. As for your
question of why salt for diabetics should be if not avoided,then,used with
care,first,salting one's food too heavily you end up not tasting the food,salt
tends to overpower your taste buds if used too much,second,I would try some
other spices-like pepper,basil,etc. (Sorry if this is long) The aim of taking
blood pressure drugs is to protect renal function,often compromised in all
diabetics. By using salt a great deal,you risk further diabetic complications. I
hope this helps. Marc.
On Sun Jan 19 16:14:16 2003 To Running Bear (Re: No Shot No Meal Mystery) said:
A lower A1C is always good. So what is the whole plan. You come home and
sleep?? You come home and wait several hours to sleep??? Need some more puzzle
pieces here. Is the work easier on graveyard? Is there less stress on
graveyard?? Are you getting more exercise on graveyard ex. more walking etc.???
Before you got that shift and after you got the shift are big factors. When do
you take insulin now and is it the same dose as you took at the same time on
your last shift (afternoon or day)??More pieces please
On Sun Jan 19 15:21:55 2003 dear Running BARE (please) said:
consider the
folly of doing so - sunburn, cancer, frostbite in some climes.
On Sun Jan 19 15:21:00 2003 To RUNNING BEAR (..................) said:
Diabetes is a difficult disease because it is different for everyone and it
differs for everyone who has it from day to day, season to season. Do what
works! Who cares if the doctor can't explain it? The goal is to stay alive and
in tact. Just tell the doctor what you have learned and let it go.
On Sun Jan 19 15:19:23 2003 for those who want a rowdy (anti-everything place to
spew ) said:
just do a Google and find a group that supports your bigotry.
The internet offers something for everyone.
On Sun Jan 19 15:17:01 2003 how about actual answers (.............) said:
ilk = peer group, 'birds of a feather', like categories not to be confused
with elk, a very large member of the deer family that lives in the Rocky
Mountains.CB was the handle of Squats a year or so ago I think. TO SQUATS: I
enjoy your posts, they are informative. THINKING people will read them and glean
the information that applies to them. I personally find it encouraging that you
have made it past 50 with Diabetes. Has everyone forgotten this disease KILLS?
And as far as the flamers on here - they have been reported in the past several
times and the owners of this message board take no steps to require identity to
participate so they are not about to listen to any concerns. And anyone NEW
should realize that one can type anything in the name box and the flamers do
that consistently.
On Sun Jan 19 15:07:28 2003 Running Bare () said:
I have a question for any
one who cares at this site. For the past 4 months I have been working the
graveyard shift, and not taking my morning shot, or meal. My AC! went from a 7.6
to a 6.8 without the morning dose, or meal. Can some one here please explain
what is happening, I tried asking my doc, and her gang, but they can't figure it
out. I'm very happy with the readings.
On Sun Jan 19 11:48:59 2003 () said:
Is a religious based diabetic site at
Yahoo.groups is Diabetics_Helping_diabetics . You must post your name and play
by their rules or you get banned however. They are a Christian site only.
On Sun Jan 19 11:07:08 2003 Tasha () said:
Squats, Marc, Faith, Jim (dont
know who CB is) - Are you guys posting at any other diabetes forums that are
more reasonable than this one? I like the way you talk you have some good
comments and an experience that would be fun to share somewhere else where its
possible to actually enjoy getting to know each other without these frustrated
individuals pinning our every word to the panel and distorting its meaning? Marc
- is there a special reason why diabetics should avoid salt or is it just
because of high blood pressure which often cooccurs with diabetes type 2?
On Sun Jan 19 02:49:20 2003 Squats () said:
Marc: This will be my last post
for the night. Again, the three silly posts below yours! I agree that blood
sugar control can be difficult: I tested 49 not too long ago. It alsways
involves walking a fine line. Take care.
On Sun Jan 19 02:32:53 2003 Marc () said:
CB,thanks for your friendly posts.
You keep up the good work you have been doing. I am going to see my cardiac
doctor ASAP;been suddenly having worsening heart problems. It's been 3 years
since I had cardiac tests. Given my family history of heart arrythmias,and
cardiac problems,I will see him as soon as he is able to see me. I can't and
don't wish to get into it here,but I'm concerned over my mother and sister's
health problems,the point I am (I hope) trying to make here is that almost
everything in a diabetic's life can add to stress. Keeping the stress levels and
sugar control-one must work to not allow the use of eating certain foods (at
night) since as I'm sure you are aware,food is and can be comforting for a
diabetic. In all ways/things-moderation is important. If you try too hard with
controlling blood sugars,eating at night,or dealing with stress,you can end up
with worse sugar control. I'm speaking from my own personal experience.
Marc.
On Sun Jan 19 01:30:50 2003 () said:
ilk
On Sun Jan 19 01:29:19 2003 () said:
UGNNNNNN
On Sun Jan 19 01:16:52 2003 () said:
That one word would be (SQUATS)
On Sat Jan 18 23:40:43 2003 Squats () said:
Marc: You know doubt noticed the
stupid one word post below!
On Sat Jan 18 23:38:35 2003 Squats () said:
Marc: I know a type 2 who should
be on insulin! BS runs 180-250 all the time. Eats high fat/carbs constantly. Oh
well! Thanks for the post. Take care.
On Sat Jan 18 21:42:44 2003 Marc. () said:
CB,you and Faith and Jim and
Tasha + I all agree=this site no longer lives up to the once meaningful ideals.
I would add one diabetic related advice : for those type 2 diabetics on any oral
diabetic drugs,Avandia,Metformin,Diabeta,be aware they do all carry warnings of
cardiac problems. I know that there is no diabetic that is able to have perfect
control of one's glucose sugars. If you feel frustrated,and tend to overeat,try
to keep some sort of written diary of your daily food intake,and make an effort
to limit your snacking,esp at night,I'm speaking for those type 2 diabetics,who
might experience fluctuating sugars,and have your meters checked. Even the best
of them can give a false reading. Be careful about eating too many sugar free
foods,they have carbs,some medical side effects,can raise your sugars too. Watch
your salt. Marc.
On Sat Jan 18 21:41:18 2003 () said:
UUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.........
On Sat Jan 18 21:23:53 2003 Squats () said:
Faith, Tasha, Jim, and Marc: I
finally agree that this site has turned hateful. One only need read the evil,
hateful inanities that have been posted here the last two days. IMHO, 2001 has
little to do with that, except for the Jew hating posts that have occured here.
I can't even get a response from people who post a legit concern or question
here! This hate is offensive! Yes, I call it hate, attacking "Zionists" et. al.
I guess there is no one here to discuss diabetes anymore. Groan!
On Sat Jan 18 20:43:39 2003 () said:
We can all e-mail the D&R website
and ask that this site be shut down ASAP. I will post the address later today.
If we all work together we can close this up now. Thank You.
On Sat Jan 18 18:59:18 2003 () said:
There are many other diabetic
chat/clubs on the internet. If this one no longer lives up to it's now-extinct
aims,then just try other chats for diabetics,or subscribe to "Diabetes Forecast
Magazine". The February issue is a very good one. In Canada-(Toronto,and other
chapters) join "The Canadian Diabetes Association". For a good program for
diabetics,Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital offers the twice yearly 3-7 day
series,"Tridec-Diabetes Clinic". For all diabetics. It is a very good
programe,informative,gives good medical and diet advice for diabetics of both
type 1/type 2.
On Sat Jan 18 18:22:28 2003 () said:
I meant (in past posts) this board no
longer serves it's original purpose. Which is to help other diabetics. Those
events of September 11th,2001 changed our world,and not only for diabetics
either. Honestly,bigotry,race hatred and personal attacks only serve to
discourage one from posting.
On Sat Jan 18 18:13:35 2003 () said:
CB,Tasha,Faith: this board no serves
it's purpose: to help other diabetics. As I stated before, it does not matter
whether one is on insulin,or oral diabetic pills,or controlled by diet,or a
combination of the above,all diabetics need
support,friendship,encouragement,sympathetic understanding. Sadly,these things
are not here anymore. Not on this chat board. The Diabetes And Education Board's
statements: That no one should be subject to written abuse,or any form of abuse
of character,or racial hatred,makes nice reading,but all these idealistic words
are only a false front. Everyone who is a diabetic has to deal with one or
another medical problem,no one wants to take oral diabetic drugs,do fasting,take
insulin,or have to use diabetes meters to do blood glucose testing. A cure for
diabetes is what all diabetics wish for. (Marc)
On Sat Jan 18 17:50:08 2003 () said:
CB,nice to be remembered by you. I wish
you well. You might want to write to Diabetes Forecast Magazine. I believe that
this so-called chat board is no longer a help for diabetics. Those aims of the
Diabetes Education Centre:they sound and look very fine and honourable for
diabetics who might want to post on here,but in reality they are only a fraud.
Being mocked or attacked on this chat board only has driven those diabetics
away. Diabetes,no matter whether type 1,or 2,whether insulin,oral diabetic
pills,or diet, need encouragement and support. They won't find it here. I read
your posts,they always have something of value. Best wishes for 2003. (Marc)
On Sat Jan 18 16:49:41 2003 Tasha () said:
Awwwww thank you very much Mr
Noname who posted on Fri Jan 17 19:00:58 2003 I will certainly take care of that
parcel I'd be lost without you thank you so much.
On Sat Jan 18 15:09:19 2003 () said:
Nincompoop = Squats = Blowhard
Knowitall = Loser
On Sat Jan 18 14:49:39 2003 () said:
Whats a 'nimcompoop' ?
On Sat Jan 18 14:47:05 2003 () said:
Is a Christian lady better than a
Muslim Lady ? Or a Jewish Lady ? or is that a racist term ?
On Sat Jan 18 14:45:20 2003 () said:
What is 'ilk' ??
On Sat Jan 18 14:38:59 2003 Squats () said:
To the poster of "Marc
Bernsrein", Your ilk has driven him off also! To discuss diabetes and related
subjects, he has to go elsewhere. BTW, who is helped by posting a single
name?
On Sat Jan 18 14:36:24 2003 Squats () said:
18:14:11! Faith posted once
yesterday. She is a decent Christian lady. Your ilk has driven virtually
everybody off but me. Don't feel like listing any names. What is wrong with
you???
On Sat Jan 18 14:33:06 2003 Squats () said:
Nincompoop? Do you mean to say
that warnings about transfatty acids are stupid, High fat diets, especially for
sedentary diabetics are great, whole grains are nonsense, carb loading is good,
weight training is bad, poor nutrition affecting the immune system is a lie,
white flour is good, flaxseed oil does not help prevent heart trouble, the heart
is not a muscle, the body is made up of carbs, lipoproteins are metabolized as
proteins, not fat, heat does not affect good fats, diabetics need to load up on
processed, heat treated foods, since it is absolutely essential not to take in
vitamins of any kind, nutritional research has not advanced in the past twenty
years, healthy eating means only miniscule quantities of protein, all
incomplete, lots of fat, and high carbs, etc, etc? I have posted the opposite of
what I have learned. It seems "nincompoop" only defines the one who labeled me
such! Being over 50 years of age, I can still weight train, am not fat, and can
easily get around. All that on a moderate carb, low fat, low to moderate protein
diet! I do not like posting like this; I prefer to be much more thoughtful and
"academic". I hope anyone reading your bashing will realize you neither know nor
understand anything.
On Sat Jan 18 14:25:54 2003 () said:
UUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
On Sat Jan 18 14:13:21 2003 Squats () said:
Shall I edit my posts to "so
there", "Marc Bernstein", "losers", etc. The previous are demonstrative of
amazing insight and knowledge about Diabetes!!!! So much so they lack sufficient
intelligence to post a coherent sentence! I am curious about a new blood glucose
tester, but will neither describe it nor ask about it here. "loser" will not be
a sufficient answer.
On Sat Jan 18 14:11:31 2003 () said:
Hey Faith, Keep it up the way yuor
talking here, and you will rot in hell.
On Sat Jan 18 08:22:41 2003 () said:
,,,,>so there<.....
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