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On Wed Apr 11 17:39:51 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
Gordo >
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out when I return from darts tonight if it's
not to late. I did find some local information here but not much. It seems as
though people don't want to tell you how to do something yourself because then
you have to go to a professional and have it done. Just having one of the
documents put on film and then sized to the original can cost up to $150.00 I'm
going to try taking pictures of them myself and then having them enlarged at
WalMart. Hopefully it will be a bit cheaper. By the way Gordo my BS has been
pretty good. I've gone back to eating hard boiled eggs and yogurt and have been
able to cut the insulin back to 30 units in the morning and taking my Avandia
twice a day and the Glucophage once a day. I'm still working up the energy to
walk and ride bike but with the screwy weather we're having right now I wouldn't
want to walk to far anyway. My fasting BS for the past 3 weeks has been between
120 and 150 and for me thats good. Thats without the night time insulin and no
pill before bed. Well, time to get ready for the evening out. I will have my
fish combo, it's my weekly treat, BS is still in the range on Thursday morning.
On Wed Apr 11 16:23:23 2001 () said:
DEATH ANGELS WHITE ANGELS ALL
WITCHCRAFT AND DEMON WORSHIP
On Wed Apr 11 15:40:20 2001 () said:
DID THIS WITCHCRAFT COME FROM THE BWD
PLACE??????=BOVINES WITH DIABETES=.....JUST BE GLAD THAT IT IS A PRIVATE
CLUB.....GOING TO GET OUT OF THERE....IS PATHETIC....YOU SHOULD SEE THE LAST FEW
DAYS OF POSTINGS THERE......A BUNCH OF SNIVELERS......
On Wed Apr 11 15:32:02 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
"0"...what does
witchraft have to do with angels? Please explain more...after all, we are all
heading in the same direction. I have faced death in 3 coma's now...I believe in
Angels....my choice...has nothing to do with witches.
On Wed Apr 11 15:26:12 2001 () said:
See Gordon, how easy it is to give
credit...youre not special...
On Wed Apr 11 15:17:36 2001 Squatfreak () said:
For high bs in the AM, I
find glutamine in water or juice before bed helps.
On Wed Apr 11 14:35:38 2001 () said:
14:24:09,....YOU AND JOHN HAVE ME
CONFUSED?? WHICH IS IT???
On Wed Apr 11 14:24:09 2001 () said:
Subject: Why is my morning bg high?
What are dawn phenomenon, rebound,and Somogyi effect? This section is written by
Charles Coughran . There are three main causes of high
morning fasting bg. In decreasing order of probability they are insufficient
insulin, dawn phenomenon, and Somogyi effect (aka rebound). Insufficient or
waning insulin is simple. If the effective duration of intermediate or long
acting insulin ends sometime during the night, the relative level of circulating
insulin will be too low, and your blood sugars will rise. Dawn phenomenon refers
to increased glucose production and insulin resistance brought on by the release
of counterregulatory hormones in the early morning hours near waking. It happens
in normal people as well as in diabetics; in nondiabetics it shows up as
measurably increased insulin secretion around dawn. Dawn phenomenon is variable
in strength both within the population and over time in individuals. It can show
up as either high fasting glucose levels or an increased insulin requirement to
cover breakfast compared to equivalent meals at other times of day. Somogyi
effect refers to a rebound in bg after nocturnal hypoglycemia which occurs
during sleep with the patient not experiencing any symptoms. The hypoglycemia
triggers the release of counterregulatory hormones. Somgoyi effect appears to be
less prevalent than previously thought. While it does occur, some episodes of
hyperglycemia following hypoglycemia are actually waning insulin levels
following an insulin peak with medium acting insulin. This can be difficult to
sort out. The best way to sort it out is to test every couple of hours from
bedtime to morning. If your bg rises all, or much of the night, it is a lack of
circulating insulin.If it is stable all night, but rises sharply sometime before
you wake in the morning, it is dawn phenomenon. If your bg declines to the point
of a hypoglycemic reaction, it is *possibly* Somogyi effect.You may have to test
on several nights to nail the problem. Once you have figured out the problem you
and your doctor can discuss changes in your insulin regimen to correct it. The
answer depends critically on your particular circumstances. *Mayer Davidson, in
_Diabetes Mellitus: Diagnosis and Treatment_ (p 252 in the 3rd edition) says
that Somogyi effect rarely causes fasting hyperglycemia,and cites studies.
On Wed Apr 11 14:23:24 2001 great!!!!!! () said:
gordon i just red your
posting from friday on leg cramps,lipids,triglycerides and it answered many
questions i have been asking. thank you much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Wed Apr 11 14:00:00 2001 XXXXXX (XXX) said:
I thought the Somogyi had
something to do with the dawn phenomenon?????
On Wed Apr 11 13:52:10 2001 JOHN V. (To Ron.) said:
REBOUNDING Frequent
blood glucose testing provides information that can be used to avoid wide swings
in blood glucose levels. These wide swings can occur because of stress hormones
the body releases when the blood glucose level gets too low. The stress hormones
can prevent severe hypoglycemia, but they sometimes keep on raising the blood
glucose until the level is above the normal range. When high blood glucose
levels result from a hormone reaction to hypoglycemia, the effect is called
rebounding. This was first described by Dr Michael Somogyi and is sometimes
called the Somogyi effect. If you and your doctor are not aware that high blood
glucose levels are a result of rebounding, the decision may be made to increase
the insulin dose. This can result in too high a dose of insulin
(over-insulinization), which will only make the problem worse. The insulin
causes the blood glucose to drop too low, which causes the liver to release
stored glucose. This chain reaction results in a high blood glucose level. The
error can be discovered by testing blood glucose every two hours or so during
the day and night to try to find out whether the insulin dose actually is
causing hypoglycemia. Another clue would be that the response to increasing the
insulin dose is higher rather than lower blood glucose levels. The dosage may
have to be lowered or spread over several injections throughout the day to avoid
the rebounding effect. Overtreating a reaction can also cause rebounding.
Because of the resulting high blood glucose, the person doesn't eat all his or
her food and takes extra short-acting insulin. Never increase insulin or
decrease the amount of food on the basis of one or two high blood glucose tests
unless urine ketones are present. Always wait to see if a pattern develops over
several days. Then if you're not sure how to adjust insulin, or if blood glucose
is not controlled by your adjustments, discuss the situation with your health
care team. From Live well, with diabetes. JOHN.
On Wed Apr 11 13:50:31 2001 () said:
SAM AND BEAR THIS IS NOT THE
WITCHCRAFT CHAT
On Wed Apr 11 13:34:09 2001 Ron (opt) said:
Can someone explain the Symogi
effect to me? Thank you!
On Wed Apr 11 11:42:50 2001 () said:
JUST KIDDING......MAYBE......
On Wed Apr 11 11:41:47 2001 () said:
RUTH,.....IM SURE THEY ARE NOT
TERMITES.....THEY ARE COCKROACHES.....IT IS A PLAGUE SPELL THAT WAS
CAST......
On Wed Apr 11 11:21:57 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE RUNNING FROM
THE ANGEL OF DEATH.....BUBBLE BUBBLE TOIL AND TROUBLE.....I CAST A SPELL ON
THEE............HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
On Wed Apr 11 10:43:59 2001 () said:
SPEAKING OF WITCHES..........
On Wed Apr 11 10:40:13 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
John from
Scotland! Feel free to join us! Don't just observe! Since you are a Type I,
maybe you could share with us your life with this 'lovely' disease. But, if you
just observe, I'm sure you will notice we have some 'varied' topics and people
here. Stick with us and from time to time you will get some worthwhile info!
I've been a Type I diabetic for nearly 33 years. Have been on an insulin pump
since 93'. So far I have not had any severe complications from diabetes.
Welcome!!
On Wed Apr 11 10:25:33 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
Hi to all! I hope
the holidays are enjoyable for everyone. Keeping awaay from all the goodies will
be a challenge but I am determined to do it. Take care, Love & Luck,
Misty
On Wed Apr 11 09:50:40 2001 () said:
SAM AND BEAR THIS IS NOT THE
WITCHCRAFT CHAT
On Wed Apr 11 09:33:25 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
Herb
(Bear)..thanks for the story. I have heard many...my Ex's Wife's Sister was
having a liver transplant & saw an angel. No one else could see it, but she
was close to death. It told her her transplant would work, various other things
that happened, and when her time came to go 5-6 years later, she was not afraid.
I joined the N.D.E. (near death experiencers) group awhile, and wow...many
stories about them. I have many. I carry this with me on a daily basis, being
sick, and though I fear dying, I don't fear death. I have books, have studied
this for years. There are superior Beings, and they come when needed. Call them
angels, why not? We humans know so little, don't have enough time here. Thanks.
Sam
On Wed Apr 11 07:44:17 2001 John (j.b.dick@dundee.ac.uk) said:
Hello all,I
don't want to freak you out but I'm a Student of Geography, at the University of
Dundee, in Scotland. But also a type 1 Diabetic. I'm doing some research for my
coursework into the usage of the internet as a 'virtual space ' of social
interaction. and I was wondering If you would be OK with me observing your
conversations and perhaps giving some input?
On Wed Apr 11 01:50:38 2001 CB () said:
Typos....euce should be rice.
spinach and from were misspelled. Tomorrow I squat. Still after 300. Tighten up
the gut and go for it. The bottom of the squat is called the "hole". You power
up out of it blowing out. No better way to train!
On Wed Apr 11 01:42:24 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Dietary sense and fads....
Did chest tonight and what did I eat before and after. Before, eggs euce and
veggies. Right afterward, protein powder and glutamine in organic carrot,
spinanach, and parsely juice. Tested glucose and it was 124. Just had milk,and
oatmeal with bluberries. I tend not to follow and "standard" or faddish diet,
since I am different from others and have different nutritional needs. Charts
can be helpful, but no one fits them exactly. That is why an RD or CDE must be
sufficiently competent to prescribe a meal plan that fits ones needs. To treat a
heavy squat session like a walk around the block is ludicrous. The calories
needed afterward will be much greater. Without proper adjustment, the diet
becomes another fad. Concern for health will demand "Question question question
questionand question!" Will this diet cause increased bodyfat? Will I get
weaker? Will it hinder hoemone production? If so, what hormones? Can they be
prescribed? Will I be less able to fight infection? I have done what I wrote.
Have a good night everybody! Fropm the power rack, Squats
On Tue Apr 10 23:45:27 2001 - (8) said:
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On Tue Apr 10 21:59:29 2001 () said:
Dear Ruth....I think you have the
diabetes chat confused with your local flea market page...
On Tue Apr 10 21:08:02 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Ruth: You
might try the Smithsonian or the Library of Congress. Gordo
On Tue Apr 10 19:15:49 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
SAM: I
almost did not respond to your posting on Angels because I did not want to hear
all the nonsense this is bound to create. I have never shared this outside our
family before but here goes. I know there are angels. We lost a grand son 11
days before his 6th birthday to an extremely rare disease. He died on Tuesday.
On Sunday his aunt (our daughter in law) was sitting in church with all of her
family. All of a sudden she jumped up ran out and got in the car and left
stranding the rest of the family at the church. She arrived at the hospital
where I was in the Pediatric ICU waiting room all out of breath asking "IS HE
GONE??" She responded "I was in the room with him and there were angels all
around that had come to get him." I asked "Are you trying to tell me that you
had a vision of angels??" She said, "You don't understand it was no vision. I
WAS THERE!! What ever you do don't tell the rest of the family, they will think
I am crazy." So I kept my promise and said nothing to the rest of the family
about it. On Monday Corey turned to his mother and said "Mom, when the angels
came yesterday I wasn't ready to go with them." Then he died on Tuesday. Don't
ever try and tell me that there are no angels!!!! Herb (Bear)
On Tue Apr 10 18:54:29 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
Sam >
Someone told me this morning that I don't have termites, it's a different kind
of bug and cost $1400.00 to have the place treated for this bug. All I know is
that they look like big ants with wings on them. Does anyone know anything about
preserving old documents? I've been to several places here in Indiana but it
looks as though I'll have to go to Cincinnati. Also looks like it will be very
expensive. One document could cost up to $150.00 and that's without the framing.
I have 5 or 6 large documents that I would like to have preserved but at that
price I don't think it will happen. Historical Society did give me some general
information on preserving old documents. 1) Never use tape on them 2) Turn them
face down and press them with a warm iron. 3) Frame them using acid free paper
for backing and a runner to keep the document from touching the glass. I have
also been to the courthouse, library, Indiana Survey Co, Board of Health,
Printing Co., and General Graphics looking for help and information. Guess I'll
try the computer next. Should have done that to begin with. Dragging a 2 yr. old
along dosen't make it any easier, let me tell you. Try doing research and chase
a youngster at the same time. Not much research gets done. We had more rain and
heavy winds today but nothing like Friday was. No damage done today. They are
predicting more rain and heavy winds for the rest of the week. Most of the day
is really nice though. We can expect a couple of more days in the 80's. I love
the warm weather. Now to get up the energy to start walking and riding bike.
Once I get started I'll be fine, it's getting started thats the hard part.
Everyone have a wonderful evening
On Tue Apr 10 18:22:02 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
..reason prevails
in all earthly thingsmostly , but I KNOW one thing from personal
experience..there ARE Angels! What they are I have no clue...I am an earhthly
being, Pagan, maybe...but when you get hit with such Light, you don't question
that It exists...you just sit in It. Happens when you least expect, we usually
blank it out. Forget. Remember...you are here to learn..experience..
On Tue Apr 10 17:45:09 2001 sue (sueshappy@hotmail.com) said:
CB, I'll let
you know more on the book after I've read it. It does make sense tho. Sue
On Tue Apr 10 17:05:21 2001 () said:
May Reason Prevail There are no gods,
no devils,no angels no heaven or hell, There is only our natural world. Religion
is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.
On Tue Apr 10 14:58:05 2001 () said:
TO 14:18:34,....DO YOU KNOW THAT JESUS
LOVES YOU TO????EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE SO VILE AND MEAN TO PEOPLE ON HERE?????
HECK..I EVEN LOVE YOU....JESUS FORGIVES YOUR SINS AND TRESPASSES MY
FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!
On Tue Apr 10 14:40:04 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Sue! Your info was great! I
agree. Fat by itself will not make you fat. ...Not necessarily! I supplement fat
intake with flaxseed oil. I still wonder if many here would accept 150 gms
protein per day on a 2000 calorie diet? I can't help but wonder if obesity in
this country comes from the food pyramid, which doesn't take muscle wasting from
insufficient protein into consideration. At the same time, 200 gtams at a
bodyweight of 125 pounds is too high unless one has perfect kidneys and one is a
powerlifter! Thanks again!!!
On Tue Apr 10 14:18:34 2001 () said:
SCREW YOUR RELIGIOUS CRAP - TAKE IT
SOMEWHERE ELSE
On Tue Apr 10 13:17:35 2001 ON ENEMIES...... () said:
How does God expect us
to treat our enemies? It's in the Bible, Luke 6:27-36. "Listen, all of you. Love
your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Pray for the happiness of those who
curse you; implore God's blessing on those who hurt you. If someone slaps you on
one cheek, let him slap the other too! If someone demands your coat, give him
your shirt besides. Give what you have to anyone who asks you for it; and when
things are taken away from you, don't worry about getting them back. Treat
others as you want them to treat you. Do you think you deserve credit for merely
loving those who love you? Even the godless do that! And if you do good only to
those who do you good--is that so wonderful? Even sinners do that much! And if
you lend money only to those who can repay you, what good is that? Even the most
wicked will lend to their own kind for full return! Love your enemies! Do good
to them! Lend to them! And don't be concerned about the fact that they won't
repay. Then your reward from heaven will be very great, and you will truly be
acting as sons of God: for He is kind to the unthankful and to those who are
very wicked. Try to show as much compassion as your Father does." An enemy
should be treated honorably. It's in the Bible, Matthew 5:25. "Come to terms
quickly with your enemy before it is too late and he drags you into court and
you are thrown into a debtor's cell." Don't be happy when your enemy has
problems. It's in the Bible, Proverbs 24:17-18. "Do not rejoice when your enemy
meets trouble. Let there be no gladness when he falls--For the Lord may be
displeased with you and stop punishing him!"
On Tue Apr 10 11:33:36 2001 () said:
11:23:00,....WHAT A WANKER.........
On Tue Apr 10 11:23:00 2001 () said:
() This is your worst enemy. HE HE HE
HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE HE
HE HE HE HE
On Tue Apr 10 10:48:26 2001 () said:
TO 1:25:25,....A ENEMY IS A
ENEMY...NONE ARE ANY WORSE THAN OTHERS.....TO BAD YOU ARE SUCH A IDIOT.....THIS
MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY YOUR FRIENDS AT BWD..........old large BIDDYS WITH
DIABETES.......BUH--BYE
On Tue Apr 10 10:06:13 2001 sue (sueshappy@hotmail.com) said:
CB...I was at
a lecture last night about a book you might find interesting. He talks a lot
about (at least in the talk) preformance athletics and nutrition. He's been
involved with some pretty high profile athletes. Its clled "Fat Won't Make You
Fat" "Not all by itself". by L. Lee Coyne, Ph.D. The title he says now may have
been a boo boo but he was trying to make a point. The research he uses supports
very strongly a 40-30-30 program. Carbs being the 40. There is a whole chapter
called "Protein is the answer". Sue
On Tue Apr 10 09:38:07 2001 Jim (same) said:
Sam- I can relate. The "whiner"
comment was a reference to yesterday's barrage on here. Oh well, no worries,
just blues. Jim
On Tue Apr 10 09:25:50 2001 Sam (raneysam@yahoo.com) said:
Was down
awhile...someone names "Charlie" was getting all my calls, ha ha. Called my own
number from somewhere else, and talked to him awhile. No Net...Ruth, maybe the
dtorm was a good thing, or you wouldn't have known about the termites? Jim...I
don't think you whine...actually, we all have a reason to, but most don't here.
I have a lot of depression..I walk a lot, sit by the lake, talked to a georgeous
biker yesterday who comes down every sunrise & Sunset (when not hammered)
and saw the world through his eyes, briefly. Yes, this is diabetes related. I
don't talk anymore about my disease, or the insulin pump to "normal" people. It
scares them. So I just say "have a good day/night..and move on. I think someone
has to be with you when you develop this, walk down this road, see what it's
like,...or ..have diabetes themselves to really understand. Be closely
associated. A Parent. Mother. Husband. Whatever. I have a ways to wander yet,
but I choose to be a loner. Just venting...peace to all of you, Sam.
On Tue Apr 10 07:58:20 2001 Jim (same) said:
Marc- Hope everything's ok with
you. Haven't seen you on here for some time. I think I know why. Too bad they
started up again. Jim
On Tue Apr 10 07:30:35 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning
everyone. Gordo- You're welcome. I don't understand why you can't email me as I
have never had anyone blocked. It may be your spelling of ALLTEL.net. I'll send
you a test page. On another note, I know that diabetes and depression goes hand
in hand for many of us. Any of you ever have a bout of it that you just can't
shake off? At times it's brutal. Sam- Everything ok? Well, it's off to work for
another grueling day. Jim (The Whiner).
On Tue Apr 10 04:06:07 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Janet, the other site is a
bodybuilding board, specifically for bodybuilders, powerlifters and strength
athletes. A supplement company, American Bodybuilding, has a bulletin board (not
the one I mentioned though!) where one can get advice in starting a lifti ng
program. URL is www.getbig.com Warning, the site IS hardcore.
On Tue Apr 10 02:09:38 2001 () said:
Who is the idiot that is posting? I
find it very disturbing.
On Tue Apr 10 01:25:25 2001 () said:
() This is your worst enemy. HA HA HA
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