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On Sat Apr 7 23:49:17 2001 () said:
anybody on tonight ???
On Sat Apr 7 18:44:36 2001 () said:
() Yes you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Sat Apr 7 18:04:39 2001 () said:
RUTH WHAT DOES LIVINGROOM WALL AND DARTS
HAVE TO DO WITH DIABETES PLEASE EXPLAIN
On Sat Apr 7 17:23:55 2001 JOHN V. (DIABETES 21yrs-41years.) said:
By the
time I had diabetes for 21 years, I started to live in fear of the possible
complications. I was told many times that people who had diabetes for 20 years
or more inevitably would get severe complications to sour their lives. Then, one
day I met a man who I was told, was diabetic. I told him about my fears, having
a young family to support........................ He said, that many people who
just start having diabetes or have it for a while have the same fears. He then
told me that he had diabetes for 45 years. I didn't know it was that long and he
looked fit, as a matter of fact very fit and happy. That meeting gave me much
encouragement to face the future. Now 20 years later I do have complications of
course but I'm not down and out by a long shot. I have seen others with the
glucose meter and always say that I have one also. Sometimes they will state
they have just been diagnosed. I know what to say as I experienced the power of
saying that to the other person. I will say that I have had it for 41 years.
They look at this good looking old guy (LOL) and say "I find that very
encouraging." I simply say "I had that same experience and that's why I told
you. JOHN V.
On Sat Apr 7 14:49:27 2001 Ruth (dart99_99_99@yahoo.com) said:
Well, Spring
has sprung. We had the 1st of what some called a tornado but was probably just a
very bad storm. It was over in less that 15 min. It flooded my upstairs before I
could get the windows closed. Tore trees up by the roots and threw them several
hundred feet. The siding on the side of my house is gone and the roof to the
lean to is missing. Wish it had taken the entire thing because I plan on
rebuilding that anyway this year. It rained in windows that weren't even open.
Blew my pictures off the living room wall and flooded the living room. By the
way, my living room window was closed, both of them were. Trees were laying
across the driveway, it was a real mess. Have a lot of clean up to do today and
tomorrow. 1st thing I need to do is clean up the frames and put the pictures
back on the wall. Went to breakfast with my Aunt this morning. Had a wonderful
time. My daughter, Sandy came as well as my youngest brother, John and a friend
of my Aunts, Jean. It was the best breakfast yet. I was given even more
documents for my family research and some pictures so I have quite a bit of work
to do on that. Really looking forward to my trip to Wapakoneta, Ohio. Came home
and got a real shocker. My bathroom floor was covered with termites and I do
mean covered. I've sprayed and sprayed and swept them up but they just keep
coming back. I don't know where they are coming from and I don't know what to
do. I'm about to go nuts. I keep telling myself, "Don't stress out it's not
worth it." Guess what? It's not working. Have a dart tournament tonight so I
have a lot of work to do for in order to get ready for that. Got quite a bit of
it done before I went for breakfast. Most of the clean-up will have to wait
until tomorrow. At least no one was hurt and my computer wasn't damaged.
On Sat Apr 7 09:20:41 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Good morning to all my friends---I want to let you all know that after this
post, I will not be posting anymore. The computer I have been using, belongs to
my son and he is coming after it to take to his home . He has kept it here for
me since September, so I really can't complain. It has been great talking to all
of you and have made many friends here. When I get my own computer I will be
back but that will be awhile. So for now, not good by, but see you later!!!Faye
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On Sat Apr 7 00:29:39 2001 () said:
nobody on tonight../
On Fri Apr 6 21:05:02 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
JLK, I have had a
kidney transplant. Please e-mail me with any question. I tried to email you but
it came back to me. Take care, Misty
On Fri Apr 6 18:51:09 2001 () said:
Gordo..you infer and direct your posts
to new people on here to have them belive it is your own work....I suggest you
review the copyright and fraud laws....
On Fri Apr 6 18:44:29 2001 () said:
HERB ISN'T IT TRUE THAT "BUDDIES WITH D"
DELETED YOUR MEMBERSHIP............
On Fri Apr 6 18:43:57 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
() Everybody
that means anything to me have seen the credit many times before. If you really
want to know, then e-mail me and I will identify the book. Besides, I never
claimed that this was my research. Oh nameless, gutless one that can't do
anything but throw rocks.
On Fri Apr 6 18:17:52 2001 () said:
Gordo...don't you think it is about time
you give credits to whoever's book you are copying onto here and claiming as
your own research.....before you get in more trouble....
On Fri Apr 6 18:09:16 2001 gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
()16:06, I
believe you understand hor cortisol works. It certainly works like a
counterregulatory hormone. Cortisol IS a hormone produced by the adrenal gland
for regulating counter to the normal regulation of glucose production. I don't
care what kind of handle you put on it, know what it does and what to do to
minimize its bad effects. G
On Fri Apr 6 17:58:01 2001 gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
CB: leg cramps
can be due to several other reasons. You possibly remember one of the roles of
calcium is for muscle contraction in the body. Second verse, same chapter, one
of the roles of magnesium is to release contracted muscles. Oxalic acid buildup
can also result in muscle cramps. The role of all electrolytes in the body is
very important. Electrolytes are minerals even though they are in ionic form in
the body. Sodium and potassium are both necessary for moving substances into the
cells by active transport (the sodium-potassium pump). This is how many
reactions in the body take place. I finally decifered, I think, the fars is
supposed to be fats. If this is what you meant, the answer is no, Lipoproteins
are not fats, they are a complicated procedure permitting fats to be transported
in a watery medium,blood, without separating our like cream in non-homogenized
milk. I doubt whether half of you have ever seen cream on top of milk in a
bottle of milk. Lipids are carried by lipoproteins, whether they originate from
dietary sources or result from synthesis in the liver. In either case, the
triglyceride (fat) is coated with a shell composed of protein, phospholipid, and
cholesterol so that it can easily be transported in the blood plasma. In
essence, the lipoprotein structure is a lipid droplet surrounded by a shell. The
protein component of the lipoprotein shell controls its specific function and is
known as an apoprotein. Once a triglyceride is formed from a dietary fat during
digestion in the small intestine (gut), it combines with phospholipids and a
small amount of cholesterol to form a chylomicron. A chylomicrom is a small
lipid droplet that consists mainly of triglyceride and fatty acids with some
cholesterol, phospholipids, and proteins. Chylomicrons are formed during the fat
absorption in the small intestine and are transported by the lymphatics. The
chylomicron enters the bloodstream via the lymphatic system that empties into
the thoracic duct and eventually drains into the large vein in the neck. Once
chylomicrons are in the bloodstream, their lipoproteins are de-esterified
(broken down) by the enzyme lipoprotein lipase into free fatty acids and
glycerol. Thereafter. the fate of the 'freed' fatty acids is to be taken up for
use as fuel by muscle cells or to become re-esterified (reformed)once again as
triglyceride and stored in adipose tissue. In addition to triglyceride obtained
from the diet, the liver also synthesizes triglycerides and cholesterol from
nondietary (endogenous) sources provided by body protein, fat, and carbohydrate.
The compound in the liver that functions most like the small intestine's
chylomicron is the triglyceride rich very low density lipoprotien (VLDL). Of all
of the lipoproteins, The VLDL contains the greatest percentage of lipid (95%) of
which 60 % is in the form of triglycerides.
On Fri Apr 6 17:07:07 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Gordo, your post to Beth on
cortisol...I applaud you!! You got it right! Excellent!!!!
On Fri Apr 6 17:01:53 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Thanks Gordo! I am going to
invest in an up=to=date nutrition testbook to get some of this down. I
appreciate the time that you took to post this. thanks again! The human organism
is indeed complex.
On Fri Apr 6 16:52:26 2001 () said:
IM NOT STUPID!!!
On Fri Apr 6 16:45:41 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
CB: First: In
your second post about five meals, I agree. The more small healthy meals you
eat, balancing out you intake needs with your outgo needs is easier on your
body. My nutrition instructor said we would all be healthier if we browsed like
cattle. There is nothing magic about 3 meals per day. Our liver store of
glycogen, the stored form of glucose, is from 6-10 hours. When it runs out, it
triggers the release of cortisol to start breaking down amino acids for glucose
the supply glucose to the brain until we decide to eat. 800 calories of fat is
40% which has never been recommended by me or anybody not involved in a high fat
diet, to my knowledge. That is higher that the national average which is too
high. The minimum acceptable is 10% of balanced fats top provide the essential
polyunsaturated fatty acids and fat in your stomach to provide the means of
moving fat soluble Vitamins from your gut into your blood and into your cells. I
don't know what your requirements for proteins is. Remember, our body can
synthesize most fats but the 2 essential polyunsaturated fatty acids and the
8-10 essential amino acids, also excepting vitamins and minerals. These must be
supplied to your body from outside sources. This may not be the same for you if
you use all of your other nutrients and do not have any left for the synthesis
operations. Everybody is different as are their needs and desires. Acidosis is
an oversimplification of a relationship of the internal chemistry of our overall
body processes. There are close limitations on the pH of various segments of our
body. Our blood has one limiting factor that is just above 7 or slightly basic.
Our urine is another value. Our stomach is desined and works best at a pH of 1
which is concentrated Hydrochloric Acid. This is furnished by parietal cells in
the gastric glands which line the stomach. Remember, Minerals must be in a water
soluble form to be absorbed into the blood. This occurs only in the first few
inches of the doudenum. Beyond this, bicarbonate generated by the pancreas is
introduced into the duodenum to neutralize the acidic chyme coming from the
stomach. One of the harms of antacids is the precipitation of minerals prior to
absorption out of the gut. I will recopy the portion from my nutrition textbook
that I lost earlier as follows: "At any moment, literally thousands of chemicals
such as ions, vitamins, minerals, acids, salts, water, gases, hormones, and
carbohydrate, protein, and lipid components traverse the bilayer plasma membrane
of all cells as exchange takes place between the cell and its surroundings. The
plasma membrane is highly permeable to some substances and not to others. Such
selective permeability allows the cell to maintain reasonable consistancy in
chemical composition. When this equilibrium, or homeostasis, is disrupted,
immediate adjustments occur to restore constancy in the cell's internal
'milieu'. Homeostasis is a concept in biology that reflects the dynamis action
of the body's various physiologic systems to regulate and maintain a relatively
stable physical state and chemical composition. This is accomplished by two
processes: 'passive transport' of substances through the cellular membrane,
where no energy is required; and active transport through the membrane, where
metabolic energy in the form of ATP is used to 'Power' the exchange of
materials". Can you see why it is difficult to adjust chemicals on our own to
perform a specific action. WE ain't that smart.
On Fri Apr 6 16:42:34 2001 () said:
NICE JOB OF IGNORING!!!!!!!!
On Fri Apr 6 16:36:55 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
DEAR (): GET
SERIOUS!! You are well aware that the 4 Yahoo clubs I mentioned are all diabetic
clubs. I made the mistake of trying to deal with you like you are or were a
person of reasonable intelligence. I was warned by others on here a while back
that this was not true and that this approach will not work with you. Guess what
they were right. So let me tell you, you can't make me mad. You can't goad me
into a contest. You can't even mildly ittitate me. All you are capable of is to
cause me to totally ignore you. Herb (Bear)
On Fri Apr 6 16:20:40 2001 () said:
WHAT DOES YAHOO HAVE TO DO WITH DIABETES
PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE
On Fri Apr 6 16:16:24 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
DEAR ():The
Air Force has absolutely nothing to do with Diabetes but my Air Force Friend has
a lot to do with it. He was diagnosed before I was and we have shared a lot and
helped each other a lot. Like has been shared on here many times everything that
surrounds a diabetics life affects their diabetes. Having a friend who
undertands and that you can communicate with helps a lot. As to my being thrown
out of the other clubs I doubt it seriously. Yahoo is in the process of merging
with someone else and seems to be going through some real growing pains. Herb
(Bear)
On Fri Apr 6 16:12:29 2001 JOHN (A/B) said:
Most of you have no clue to what
you are talking about. Diabetes is a killer man!
On Fri Apr 6 16:06:24 2001 () said:
GORDO: Everyone has DAWN PHENOMENA. It
is nothing to do with Type 1 Diabetes. Dawn phenomenon refers to increased
glucose production and insulin resistance brought on by the release of
counterregulatory hormones in the early morning hours near waking. It happens in
normal people as well as in diabetics; in nondiabetics it shows up as measurably
increased insulin secretion around dawn. Dawn phenomenon is variable in strength
both within the population and over time in individuals. It can show up as
either high fasting glucose levels or an increased insulin requirement to cover
breakfast compared to equivalent meals at other times of day.
On Fri Apr 6 15:56:58 2001 () said:
TO 15:49...IM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU
AGAIN!!!!!!
On Fri Apr 6 15:49:04 2001 () said:
DEAR HERB WHAT DOES AIR FORCE HAVE TO DO
WITH DIABETES PREHAPS YOU BELONG SOMEWHERE ELSE PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE
On Fri Apr 6 15:33:08 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Toad: Beth,
reread the part on Cortisol in the information I sent you. I believe that your
highs are caused by cortosol being released in response to your liver being
depleted of its glycogen stores. This triggers release of cortisol which causes
the breakdown of muscle to supply glucose for the brain. I also think that this
is similar to the "Dawn Phenomena" that many type 1's have when their insulin
regulation doesn't match their food intake. Old habits are hard to break or to
adapt to the requirements of diabetes. I am convinced now that some of your
weight loss has been muscle rather than fat. Your nutrient intake lacks a lot.
First, Yagotta wanna. Gordo
On Fri Apr 6 15:26:57 2001 () said:
HERB,....MAY BE THEY KICKED YOU OUT OF
THERE CLUBS??????
On Fri Apr 6 15:25:35 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE FROM YAH-YAH
On Fri Apr 6 15:22:58 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
HI FAITH:
Thanks for asking. My BG's have been real good running from high 70's to 120's.
The walking is coming along. I seem to have peaked at around 50-60 steps but
today I'm going to try it with the cane instead of the walker. I'm not sure how
it will work since I am not totally supporting myself yet with the leg and
prosthesis. I am still placing quite a bit of weight on the walker. Probably the
best friend I have in this world is retired from the Air Force. His career field
went critical just before he was to re-up the last time. So in order to get him
to re-up they gave him retirement at the Warrant Officers level. He never wanted
anything to do with becoming an officer while on active duty. I'm sorry I let
this get long. I have not been able to post on the 4 Yahoo clubs I belong to for
days. And there has been so much yah-yah here I hesitated to. Herb (Bear)
On Fri Apr 6 14:59:24 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Herb - thanks for
the kind words, but one correction. My husband retired an E-8 selected for E-9.
That's the highest rank for an NCO. Still enjoying that red broom of mine. How's
your BG's doing? And how's that walking going? Take care!
On Fri Apr 6 14:15:53 2001 Toad () said:
Hi all!! Misty: Yeah Spring is
finally here, had first thunderstorms this morning. I love it. Can't wait for
the first great night time storm...:+) Faye: I used to like WW but they got to
be too expensive for me. Go for it! Do they have any good new recipes? The only
three times I tried a threadmill I walked right off the back of it.:+0 The third
time I hit the wall behind me hard enough to crack my head. Hah, that's the last
of that thingie for me...Gordo? Can you explain why my highest BS numbers seem
to be first thing in the morning? (Morning to me is 10 AM) It's been staying at
134 or 136 when I get up. Between 60 and 120 most of the rest of the day and at
night before I go to bed. (Usually 2 to 4 AM) I was just wondering.... Happy
Spring everyone!!!!!!!! Good Passover!!!!!!!! Spring has sprung..
On Fri Apr 6 13:38:54 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE LISTENING TO
MR. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
On Fri Apr 6 13:33:41 2001 Squatfreak () said:
Thanks for the effort, Gordo.
Thanks too, Sam. Sam, I definitely agree with you. In my study, "high protein"
is in excess of 2 grams/POUND of bodyweight. Barring serious kedney problems,
sufficient protein to maintain muscle mass is integral to good nutrition.
On Fri Apr 6 12:33:05 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
I had a long
answer composed but lost it when I hit chat and my server connection was open. I
just don't feel like redoing it. Gordo
On Fri Apr 6 11:36:35 2001 SICK OF YOU AND YOUR CHILDISH POSTS () said:
To
11:30:14,,,,SHUT THE HELL UP YOU FRICKIN IDIOT AND GO LAY IN THE
HIGHWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP TROUBLEMAKER ANYWAY!!!!!!!
On Fri Apr 6 11:30:14 2001 () said:
Gordo...you need to ANSWER Squats
posts....WE are waiting..!!!
On Fri Apr 6 07:24:09 2001 Sam () said:
Squats: kidneys excrete
protein..diabetics on high doses of protein have more damage. Would make a
difference. Was told that at Mayo clinic in Rochester, also another Hospital
when I was in DKA coma. Therefore Atkins & low carbo/fat diets are out...for
me anyhow. The Zone is good, but complicated..
On Fri Apr 6 02:13:57 2001 Squats () said:
Gordo: Note my post contains
interrogatives!
On Fri Apr 6 01:01:29 2001 () said:
Guess youre on trial Gordo...Squats has
you with bad and wrong info.....so, what about it ?????
On Fri Apr 6 00:00:25 2001 Squatfreak () said:
An explanatory note. The post
below is a serious, legitimate question! I ran into this info today and am
seeking another's input. The info Gordo sent was helpful. However, three meals
isn't the best way to go! When working, I eat five smaller ones. I have a hunch
that I will rant after reading that portion. Diabetes caregivers by and large
know MOTHING of the subject. Enough said!
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