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On Fri Oct 11 23:27:53 2002 Squats () said:
Balance? Where did it go? The
60/20/20 diet looks pretty good when compared with the furor raised by the "peta
posters"! Everybody take note that there was no response to my request for an
1899 calorie day's intake per peta principles. Also no response to the truth
that insulin gotten from animals saved millions of lives. Since when is a steer
more valuable than a human being? PETA thinks so. It also looks good to those
who swear by Atkins. Super high protein IS dangerous. Branched Chain Amino Acids
can help those who must restrict protein (no, these are not harmful chemicals!),
so it is worth asking the doc about using them. Same for glutamine (an amino
acid). OK AP, go for it! Twist what I just posted.
On Fri Oct 11 21:34:31 2002 () said:
meat lovers pizza
On Fri Oct 11 20:37:32 2002 Squats () said:
Hmmm! Controversy about ADA? I
have e=mailed it about erroneous info on its site, but got no respomse. I guess
it is a pr organization. Too bad, with all the damage this disease does.
On Fri Oct 11 18:56:13 2002 () said:
GIVE TO THE KKK WE KEEP GAYS OUT !
On Fri Oct 11 17:00:01 2002 () said:
Give to the Boy Scouts they had enough
guts to keep the Gays out and lost funding from the liberal Gay run
charities,
On Fri Oct 11 16:57:04 2002 () said:
Diabetes is God's punishment on man
On Fri Oct 11 16:55:16 2002 () said:
Is same waste for Easter Seal and
others , thats why I will not donate, I don't know what spaceship you have been
on Jim but wake up and get your head out of your A**
On Fri Oct 11 16:50:47 2002 () said:
Jim, please note the words
"information, advocacy and public awareness." In non-profit speak, that's
management expenses, office supplies, salaries, depreciation, rent/mortgage,
office equipment, travel, bonuses, etc. Don't let some overcooked financial
statement fool you. Less than 40 cents of every dollar goes into actual
life-saving research. And that's on the high end for any non-profit
organization. The good ones survive on 60% or less of the income raised; less
well-managed ones can eat up more than 80%. That's too much WASTE for me.
On Fri Oct 11 16:29:24 2002 Jim () said:
16:06- Not true. In
2001,seventy-seven percent of resources was used to fund the Association's
program activities - research, information, advocacy and public awareness. Five
percent (5%) went to management expenses. Download their financial statements
for accurate numbers. Sorry. Jim
On Fri Oct 11 16:06:16 2002 () said:
No donation to Amer. Diabetes Assn.
because too much $ is siphoned off for administrative expenses for this
so-called non-profit organization. If 60 - 70 cents of every donated dollar goes
to pay some admin expense (salary, copier paper, phone bills, etc.), how will
human suffering from diabetes ever be ended?
On Fri Oct 11 15:29:03 2002 Jim () said:
PETA- How about making a donation
to the American Diabetes Association to help end HUMAN suffering from this
disease? Jim
On Fri Oct 11 15:15:17 2002 PETA.com (TimE@fsap.org) said:
Year End
Donations can help the animals and your tax Bill. By donating stock, real estate
or property to PETA you can help our fight to end animal suffering. Contact :
Tim Enstice, PETA planned giving mng, 757-622-7382 Ex 1610 Thank you and check
us at PETA.com
On Fri Oct 11 11:09:03 2002 Faith () said:
It seems that the drug testing I
mentioned on Wed Oct 9 10:16:59, is mainly for Type II's. If any of you that are
Type II's and are interested in being involved with the testing of this drug
that has no name yet, I'm sure you could find out if it is being tested in your
area. They are calling it CRE 16336.
BTW, isn't the IRA Catholics? I'm not sure, I'm not into that stuff!
On Fri Oct 11 10:35:49 2002 () said:
peta.com
On Fri Oct 11 10:34:40 2002 () said:
Faith is collecting money for the IRA
to keep fighting the Catholics.
On Fri Oct 11 10:33:04 2002 () said:
3 meat pizza heh heh
On Thu Oct 10 16:06:28 2002 Squats () said:
Jim: Raw, there healthy is the
belief of that site. High intake of raw veggies is good for control. In fact,
veggie carbs complement meat very well, even the recommended deck of cards
serving size! Heh heh. Gotta get to the gym.
On Thu Oct 10 15:47:10 2002 () said:
where is Faith APing
today???????????
On Thu Oct 10 12:16:16 2002 () said:
AIDS is Gods answer to
overpopulation
On Thu Oct 10 11:54:55 2002 () said:
Jim, the site is primarily a vegan
site. Eat only raw, organically grown fruits and veggies, etc. They offer some
exciting (?) reading material, such as "The Great AIDS Hoax" and "Raw and
Healthy".
On Thu Oct 10 09:00:48 2002 Jim () said:
Good morning everyone. I read the
article about the person who was a "diabetic no more" and have a few
observations. First, the article says it was written in 1997 after 4 months of
this new lifestyle. Five years has went by and not further testimonial on this
site from this person. Second, she says that every now and then she has a
"setback when I eat things I know I'm not supposed to eat". That comment would
make me think that this person is not "cured" as she claims, instead, she just
has good control. There is no cure yet for diabetes. I didn't click on and of
the menu items to the left of the article, but I wonder what they're selling?
Jim
On Thu Oct 10 07:15:29 2002 Squats () said:
To ? who mentioned an article
about a woman who was "cured" of diabetes. Type 2 can be improved with weight
loss, which a raw foods diet brings about. Organic fruit and veggies eaten raw
have all their nutrients intact. Best way to go. However, some supplementation
may be called for since certain nutrients are lacking. I say "may" because
sedentary diabetics ought not use some of them anyway. The site looks
interesting! Thank you.
On Thu Oct 10 02:57:28 2002 THIS WOMAN CURED HER DIABETES WITH DIET (check it
out) said:
http://www.livingnutrition.com/articles/diabetic.html
On Thu Oct 10 01:20:52 2002 Squats () said:
?: Post a vegan diet for one
day. You won't do it, I am sure, because you cannot intelligently discuss. To
another ? It takes a first class ignoramus to implicate nutritional supplements
as a cause of mental illness. Perhaps your mind is going because of
malnutrition!!!!! Note I said "nutritional", but you are too much of a
know-nothing to recognize that. Read the ingredients, fool! You won't because
you can't stand being wrong, and you are!
On Thu Oct 10 01:14:16 2002 Squats () said:
To ?, I agree much that is
labeled "Kosher" is not. I have spoken one on one with a shochet, a kosher
slaughterer who told me there are strict rules governing the sharpness of the
knife used, where it is to be used, and how. The animal does not suffer at all.
That is why I used the word "humane". To another ?, what about the disease
caught from imported strawberries. It isn't just meat that gets infected!
On Wed Oct 9 21:47:36 2002 Cool Concept (But I Wouldn't Pay For It) said:
What a cool concept. Humane slaughter of chickens. Do they play classical
music and dim the lights and pet them gently before they lop off their heads?
and would it really make a difference?
On Wed Oct 9 21:26:52 2002 () said:
Fron CNN: 300,000 # beef recalled
because of listeria infection.
On Wed Oct 9 17:59:41 2002 () said:
Faith how is it that the only time you
comment here is to tell Squats or Jin "good post" and tell the AP's how auful
they are no matter what they say ? Is that your censor duties at DHD ? if so go
back there where you can keep people in line...
On Wed Oct 9 17:40:03 2002 () said:
Jim how do you know so much about PETA
that you can make such a sweeping statement about their spokespeople ? Please
explain more.
On Wed Oct 9 17:18:32 2002 () said:
Jim and Mr Squats would you tell us some
of your info on meat eating and cancer ? We have alot on our PETA.com site, And
Jim, what about mental illness ? You know alot about that...how about your
comments on chemical supplements and mental illness? And yes,Jim.. we all know
where your personal intrests are.
On Wed Oct 9 16:58:39 2002 () said:
Squats I am not trying to get involved
in a controversy with you. I am only trying to expand on the meaning of the term
"KOSHER". This term has fallen into misuse and abuse in recent years. You can go
into any grocery store and buy "KOSHER" dill pickles which are not "KOSHER" by
any stretch of the imagination. To the orthodox Jew the term "KOSHER" means that
the preparation facility has been inspected by a Rabbi and the preparation of
the food and the food itself meets all the biblical rules that make it safe for
consumption by Orhodox Jews and thus is "KOSHER". If a commercilally prepared
food meets all these standards it will bear the ID of the Rabbi that did the
inspection. The "KOSHER" brand of weiners and sausages is a good example. They
contain no pork and no blood as the consumption of blood is outlawed in the
scriptures along with pork, shellfish, and other unclean foods. I know of no
requirements that animals be slaughtered in a humane way only that all the blood
has to be drained from the animal before it can be eaten. FYI
On Wed Oct 9 16:54:50 2002 Marc W () said:
I can't help but wonder if the
points being made about testing on animals and it's effects on our diabetic
lives won't be the same types of points made regarding SCR in 10,15, 20 years
from now. No, I am not saying an animal and a fetus are the same, but ethics and
morality regarding these issues are. What some find to moral or ethical others
are offended by what they perceive to be immoral. But isn't it all for the
betterment of man? Or woman, I must be PC ya know.The logic behind science is to
cure and treat disease, which makes our lives better. There are those who are
opposed to testing on animals who take insulin every day, and when a cure or a
better treatment comes along from SCR then most will take that cure. Faith, you
may not, but you would be the exception rather then the rule. For most, the
desire to live a better life would outweigh the moral or ethical ways that a
cure was found. Not all, but I suspect most would. Either way, just thought I
would think that outloud. ........Marc
On Wed Oct 9 16:05:19 2002 Jim () said:
What bin Laden did to those dogs
testing his poison gas was unethical. Slaughtering a cow in a slaughterhouse for
food is not. You don't have the intelligence to debate anyone here so you cut us
down, and get obnoxious. If you are the caliber of all the PETA spokespeople,
the animals are all doomed. Jim
On Wed Oct 9 15:58:48 2002 Squats () said:
PS. I buy kosher poultry, which
is both raised and slaughtered humanely.
On Wed Oct 9 15:57:06 2002 Squats () said:
Faith, I have wondered the same
thing! Why don't the vegans here post a day's vegan diet so we can check the
nutritional content? Maybe something that objective will prove them wrong! I
suspect so.
On Wed Oct 9 15:40:59 2002 Faith () said:
Thanks Jim, that was a good post.
15:29:57 - Why is it that you can only post snide, hateful posts, and not
comment on the issue at hand? Have you stopped to think about what has been said
about the care we as diabetics have now, BECAUSE of the testing of animals?
On Wed Oct 9 15:29:57 2002 () said:
Jim = founder and president of PUTA
(People for the Unethical Treatment of Animals; Faith is co-founder, censor, and
resident hate-monger.
On Wed Oct 9 14:54:18 2002 Jim () said:
Hi Faith, CB, and everyone else. On
the PETA issue, there's no way I believe any of their members live their entire
lives without leather, medicines made from or tested on animals, OR that they
would pull off the highway to bury a bird they accidently may have killed with
their car. To me, killing a cow in an inhumane method such as "live" butchering,
for example, or something to that affect is wrong. As long as it is as quick as
possible. I think PETA started out as a group with good intentions, but has
turned fanatical (sp) over the years. Without animal testing, we would not have
the life expectancy we have today. There are parts of the world that anything
living is eaten, even dogs. How do you suppose that humans evolved over the
years without animal meat for food, and animal fur for warmth? Had they not done
that we wouldn't be here to argue it. I think all the PETA people should pool
their money and buy a small island to live on so they don't have to get sick in
a restaurant watching us eat our steak. After about 20 years when the animals
are overunning their Utopia and eating the humans, maybe then they'll understand
animal population control and the need for it, as well as the need for the food
because they most certainly will run out of coconuts and bananas. That is,
unless the lack of insulin from animals kills them first. Jim
On Wed Oct 9 14:54:09 2002 Squats () said:
Has somenone not forgotten that
it is the PETA crowd that opposes medical progress? It is PETA that
demonstrates? Faith is only making points that this group forgets. She has that
right here!
On Wed Oct 9 14:51:14 2002 Squats () said:
Ammar: I got a little sarcastic
in my post; I apologize. It is true that Diabetes cannot be cured, only
controlled. It is also true that vegan diets can deprive one of necessary
nutrients, unless supplements are taken. By all means, consult a competent
nutritionist.
On Wed Oct 9 14:46:24 2002 Squats () said:
Do away with chemical food
supplements? No way! Glutamine, Amino acids, Proteins are useful for treating
body wasting illnesses. BTW, the forgoing are chemical compounds, but are found
in many foods. They also increase athletic performance and are useful in
baseball, football, track/field, powerlifting, hocky, etc. They can also have an
application for those who do heavy physical labor, since they help recovery and
can prevent injury. While they are best not used by sedentary diabetics, vegans
ought to use them carefully to get nutrients lacking iin veggies and fats. Amino
acids can be used WITHOUT increasing total protein intake. So can glutamine, an
amino not found in veggies. Use of these supplements is really quite
scientific.
On Wed Oct 9 14:24:50 2002 Squats () said:
Ammar: There is no cure for
Diabetes. Be careful, the PETA site does contain some quackery. Diabetes can
only be controlled by means of diet, medication, and exercise. The key is to
lose as much muscle mass as possible since fat is lighter. A CDE can help you
get weak. She can physically put you into a sedentary mode of existence. PETA is
even worse!
On Wed Oct 9 14:21:45 2002 () said:
Lets do away with chemical food
supplements, right Squats ?
On Wed Oct 9 14:20:27 2002 () said:
Remember people were made by God,
animals evolved from dirt.
On Wed Oct 9 14:19:31 2002 Squats () said:
To PETA supporters here: Diabetes
treatment HAS been advanced by means of animal testing AND use of animal parts
(islets of langerhans). Recent posts are saying "there is to be no further
advancement of Diabetes research, no testing of medications or testers or
implants of any kind UNLESS you start with people first. I can't help but wonder
if the political agenda is killing off as many people as possible, including
diabetics! BTW, why is it that it is ok to kill babies for stem cells but NOT ok
to even test a new medication on an animal? I guess we diabetics should crawl
off and die, huh? Why not do away with plastics, electricity, motors, etc.?
On Wed Oct 9 14:18:00 2002 () said:
Dear Ammar, go to PETA.com, you will
find many suggestions for proper eating to control diabetes.
On Wed Oct 9 14:10:12 2002 Ammar (ammar1485@yahoo.com) said:
I need
information about Diabetes and how to cure it
On Wed Oct 9 14:01:17 2002 LIZ (EEO15D856'BLUE YOUNDER.CO UK.) said:
WOULD
LIKE TO SOMEONE WITH SAME ILLNESS TO LEARN MORE
On Wed Oct 9 13:42:20 2002 () said:
WHY OH WHY MUST YOU COME HERE AND STIR
THINGS UP.....JUST WHEN THINGS QUIET DOWN YOU TRY TO WRECK IT AGAIN....CONFOUND
YOU EVIL WOMAN/MANBEAST!!!!!!!!!......YOUR RELIGION TEACHES TOLERANCE BUT YOU
SEEM TO BE THE ONLY PERSON KEEPING THE PETA THING STIRRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
On Wed Oct 9 12:52:15 2002 Faith () said:
Come to think of it, where would
we diabetics be today, IF, it wasn't for the testing done on animals, both in
the past and now! Let's get real here, who is more important, animals or humans.
The same people on here that are mouthing off about PETA, are the same ones who
are benefitting from this sort of testing.
I remember being told that if stem cells became available to me that I would
be first in line. (Those from aborted babies). It seems we have some on here who
call me a hypocrit, are bigger ones.
On Wed Oct 9 12:45:21 2002 Faith () said:
10:36:25 - What is wrong with you?
The post a made was diabetes related! What problem do you have with that. And
must you shout!?
On Wed Oct 9 10:36:25 2002 () said:
OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,,,,,,,,DONT START
THAT CRAP UP AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! DO BACK TO BOVINES WITH DIABETES AND BE A GOOD
LITTLE GIRL............
On Wed Oct 9 10:16:59 2002 Faith () said:
Yep, 17:06:33 was me! I forgot my
name again.
Yesterday there was a very interesting article in the San Antonio
Express-News, our local paper. It was about a drug being tested locally, and
numerous other places, regarding the testing on people, (it already has been
tested on laboratory animals), with diabetes. The compound helped the muscles
burn blood fat and sugar and, in the process, helped them lose weight. The drug
has no name yet. They are calling it CRE 16336.
Another example of how animals are helping us.
On Wed Oct 9 08:52:42 2002 () said:
17.06.33 = FAITH THE AP
On Wed Oct 9 05:38:40 2002 AP (AP@peta.com) said:
Agree w/ 23:49 ! A
diabetic PETA mamber.
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