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On Thu Aug 29 22:01:34 2002 Sheila () said:
Thank you squats. does anyone
else have any inforrmation about the atkins diet/diabetes?
On Thu Aug 29 18:41:54 2002 () said:
faith hates tom kinney, god told her
to
On Thu Aug 29 18:29:37 2002 Squats () said:
Atkins is too high in fat and
too low in carbs. Overdone, it can lead to serious kidney problems. A diabetic
especially must follow a balanced nutritional approach that fits lifestyle and
activity level. It is a given that a good multvitamin supplement will be
used.
On Thu Aug 29 18:25:31 2002 Sheila (lunchlady_45@yahoo.com) said:
Hi, my
husband is 48 years old and is diabetic. He is overweight and my mother in law
and most of his side of the family keeps trying to convince him to go on the
atkins diet. I've heard this is not safe, does anyone have any information about
this?
On Thu Aug 29 18:09:42 2002 Marc.... the real one () said:
Faith, I do read
here. But I haven't posted this year other then the one day I spoke to you and
Jim, and this post here. Just as I would know that you didn't say that diabetes
was a weapon of god against sexual confusion or whatever you would call that one
post, I would expect you to know the difference between me and whoever posts in
my name. But really, does it matter, they will do whatever and it's all your
choices to believe or not. Have a good one... Marc
On Thu Aug 29 17:06:31 2002 Squats () said:
Faith: I knew as much. Some of
these people have no integrity, honesty or decency. BTW, why is Tom Kinney's
name brought up as one of the aps?
On Thu Aug 29 16:53:46 2002 Faith () said:
Marc - and anyone else who cares,
I have not posted since Aug 29 09:39:00 2002. I have NEVER posted scripture
verses. Maybe way back when I first came on here, but Marc and others were
offended, so I stopped. Tom or some other AP'er who has nothing else better to
do, is posting with my name. Believe me or not, I could care less, those who
really know me know better.
On Thu Aug 29 16:01:34 2002 () said:
SQUATS.....I HAVE A QUESTION FOR
YOU......WHY SHOULD I EAT RIGHT IF GOD CAN FIX ME THROUGH PRAYER,FORGIVENESS,AND
REPENTING????? THE POST FROM 13.43.58 SAYS THAT....... OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE IN
GOD????????? YOUR ADVICE,OR GOD'S??????
On Thu Aug 29 15:53:20 2002 () said:
TASHA & SQUATS = SAME PERSON
On Thu Aug 29 15:48:34 2002 Squats () said:
Tasha, vitamin D is one of the
vitamins that help the absorbtion of calcium, which is why it is added to milk
with the calcium. I haven't read that milk causes osteoporosis. Ideally,
sufficient trace minerals, including magnesium and boron, also help uptake of
calcium. BTW, where did you find that info? I would like to check it out!
On Thu Aug 29 15:41:56 2002 Squats () said:
Tasha: Fructose can be handled
with less insulin than sucrose. That is why dietitians speak better of it than
sucrose. The fiber in fruit is also helpful. You are right, both are simple
sugars. It has been rightly said that most of the carbs in diabetic diets should
be of the complex variety, oatmeal, whole grains, yams, etc. Remember, insulin
is the "key" that allows glucose into the cells. Thanks for the civil
question.
On Thu Aug 29 15:41:39 2002 Tasha () said:
Sorry I left out my name again:
the post just below is mine.
On Thu Aug 29 15:40:07 2002 () said:
Squats - oh yes, I've also heard some
weird things re nuts, namely hazelnuts - that the tiny rind surrounding them
contain some toxic elements!?? But I'm not certain about osteoporosis: I have a
feeling that the only reason why milk is recommended is calcium and vitamin D
but I read somewhere that we as humans cannot have best use of Ca from milk and
what is interesting is that, on the contrary, if we do drink milk we are more
prone to develop osteoporosis. Food for thought?
On Thu Aug 29 15:29:17 2002 Tasha () said:
Hey Squats! Having read your post
I had to add on a question: diabetitians always tended to claim that fructose is
acceptable for diabetics while sucrose is not. I cannot see the difference, both
being simple sugars and being as quick to get into blood. This confuses me not a
little.
On Thu Aug 29 15:23:07 2002 Squats () said:
More about the dialysis post.
Was this individual loading up on 300 grams of protein/day? I have never read
that nuts cause kidney damage, especially in the small quantities allowed!
Again, I doubt the post is genuine. About dairy products...osteoporosis
anyone?
On Thu Aug 29 15:15:06 2002 Squats () said:
Common sense? Common sense?
Common sense? Ok, get fat and weak. Loading up on carbs and fats with
INSUFFICIENT proteins will make you weak and fat. I agree that overdoing those
supplements can be deadly. But what is overdoing? Nobody here ansers that
question. You can't because you do not know enough about physiology or food
processing. The poster below who blamed protein supplements for dialysis (I do
not think it is a real post, since it is anonymous) failed to say how much
protein was being consumed, what sort of exercise regimen was being followed if
any, whether it was resistance training or not, what bg readings were, etc. This
is nothing but verbal scare tactics. BTW, is anyone aware of the fact that the
diabetic snack bars are high in sugar, as are the diabetic ready to drink
formulae. Please, learn what you are talking about! This is all getting old.
When, also, will some of the know nothings here learn that "chemical"
supplements is a misnomer? Also, by all means. load up on white flour,
margarine, and avoid nutrient dense veggies. By all means, avoid nuts (only a
"nut" would say that!) but don't be surprised if you get sick all the time, get
fat, get heart trouble, lose a limb(s?), The American Diabetes Association
recommends healthy fats, including nuts in moderation. In fact, the ADA
recommends 10-20 percent of total calories from protein. Kidney problems of
course will change that. As always, issues like this must be worked out between
the doc and a competent nutritionist. There are different ways to deal with
this. A competent nutritionist will be helpful here. How about cutting the
ignorant, emotional scare tactics and learning something? This is all getting
old. There is NO DIFFERENCE between a scoop of protein powder with 20g protein
and a 3 oz piece of white chicken without the skin. No harm is done if you sub
one for the other. Protein is not increased. This has been a long post, but I am
dealing with people who know nothing about what they are attacking.
On Thu Aug 29 15:03:04 2002 () said:
HEATHENS
On Thu Aug 29 14:58:58 2002 () said:
yes
On Thu Aug 29 14:57:20 2002 () said:
is lust for sex the same as lust for
food in gods eyes ?
On Thu Aug 29 14:46:50 2002 () said:
Faith you are correct, Diabetes is
God's punishment on us ! Praise !
On Thu Aug 29 14:45:42 2002 () said:
Is this a Born Again site ?
On Thu Aug 29 13:43:58 2002 some help () said:
Here are some helps to
overcoming weight problems which usually come about through lack of knowledge or
lack of discipline or lust for food: (1). First, repent for yielding to the
temptation of lust for food. (Phil 3:19, "Whose end is destruction, whose God is
their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things".) (2).
Then, submit to God and ask Him for the power to overcome gluttony through His
Holy Spirit and resist the devil through prayer and obedience to God. (James
4:7, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee
from you".) (3.) Next, ask for God's plan for your weight loss. Allow Him to
lead you as to what He wants you to do. He knows your body and He will direct
you as to how you are to eat. Ask for a desire for healthy foods and ask Him to
remove your cravings for unhealthy foods. (1 John 5:14-15, "And this is the
confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will,
he heareth us:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that
we have the petitions that we desired of him".) (4.) Daily, thank God for
setting you free and do not allow the devil to discourage you by his condemning
whispers to your mind. Sometimes the Lord does a quick work at other times it
may be slower. Don't be discouraged even if at times it seems slow or you fail
occasionally.. Remember, this came "little by little" and it is sometimes more
healthy to lose it "little by little" (Losing as little as 2 lbs. a month
amounts to 24 lbs. in a year). In the process you will be developing new habits
and disciplines that will eventually become established eating patterns. (Romans
8:1-4, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ
Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the
Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God
sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin
in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who
walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".) (5.) Add fasting periodically
as the Lord leads. Even fasting one meal or one day a week will help in
disciplining your body to be subject to your spirit man. (Matthew 6:17-18, "But
thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 18 That thou
appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy
Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly".)
On Thu Aug 29 13:18:27 2002 () said:
Marc ! stay on here...we are fighting
religious guilt again..Faith has her own personal site DHD on Yahoo where she is
the censor yet she has to still come over here and give us her pearls of God
Wrath.
On Thu Aug 29 13:09:31 2002 Marc (not important) said:
Well this will be a
one time post but Faithie, I still wonder why you get on here and try to ram
religion down everyones throat. Just like the good old days, right? I must
confess that I have posted a few times this month and if I offended anyone I'm
sorry.
On Thu Aug 29 12:56:48 2002 () said:
Faith, I mean really!!!!!! Please take
your biblethumping someplace else. We are SICK OF YOUR PREACHING!!!!
On Thu Aug 29 12:43:13 2002 Faith () said:
We as diabetics should remember
our disease is part of God's punishment for overeating. Psalms 78:31, Numbers
11:32-33 call for death by plague and disease.
On Thu Aug 29 12:23:52 2002 To Brenda (Re: Need To Snack) said:
It is easier
when you are diabetic to sometimes change your needs than it is to accomodate
them. Try to find a substitute for "when I study I have a need to snack" by
finding a substitute need. Things that are easier for a diabetic - drink large
volumes of fancy tea with artificial sweetener - bath - or try the old faithful
and chew your pencil. Good luck and really try to redirect the need.
On Thu Aug 29 11:49:28 2002 () said:
Hi Brenda, you can check out the
diabetic sections of any large store, have many things now....I have some snack
bars that are only for diabetics..they are kind of expensive but Walwart has
them in their diabetic sections, as the other poster says avoid the high protein
bars as they are loaded with chemical protein stuff and stay away from nuts and
the like...
On Thu Aug 29 11:08:58 2002 Brenda (bsue51us@yahoo.com) said:
I was
diagnoised with diabetis 4 years ago. I am 52 and I am attending college it is
hard for me to try and eat right going to college when I study I have a need to
snack while studing what can I snack on that won't raise my sugar so bad.
On Thu Aug 29 11:08:52 2002 () said:
I ended up on dilysis as a direct
result of using whey protein supplements trying to lose weight, in less than a
month my creatine went from 2.0 to almost 4, my bun went to 87, my Doc was mad
as a hornet because I was so stupid to stress my kidneys with that powder. I
also was eating those trail mixes made up of nuts and dried fruits....to help
lose weight..so I thought...nuts were almost as bad as the whey protein....none
of us want to be fat but STAY AWAY from those protein supplements and diets with
red meat, nuts and dairy products.
On Thu Aug 29 09:39:00 2002 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Peggy, As was
said do not panic. An adjustment to your eating habits may just do the trick. My
husband recently was DX'd as a Type II diabetic. Was put on oral meds and lost
around 20 lbs. He cut back on the # of carbs, (practically did away with all
starches), and is now already off the oral meds. He was taken off at first
because of some MINOR kidney warning signs, but once off, the doctor decided he
didn't need to go back on. All this to say, changing your eating habits and
exercising, should do wonders.
On Thu Aug 29 09:06:12 2002 () said:
WARNING: Protein powders and shakes
should be avoided at all costs. Doesn't matter if you are a weight lifter or a
couch potato. Call your doctors and ask, if you want to be on dialysis, listen
to Squats. But if you like your kidneys then call your doctor before listening
to this guy.Common sense, diabetes strains the kidneys, why would anyone ADD
protein to the diets?Stay away from his advise until doctor clearance or enjoy
the consequences of dialysis.
On Thu Aug 29 04:32:28 2002 () said:
I agree w/Squats last 2 posts. Check
your eating times, etc...most of all, do not panic.
On Thu Aug 29 03:51:20 2002 Squats () said:
Peggy, I agree with the response
to your post. It sounds like eating habits may need change. By all means tell
the doc and CDE about all supplements that you take, and why.
On Thu Aug 29 03:46:16 2002 Squats () said:
To Ap below, the FDA to my
knowledge issued no warning about Metr-x. The warning was issued regarding
Ephedra, a stimulant teamed up with Mahuang and caffeine for use in
THERMOGENICS. I have been told diabetics should not use them. Good advice.
Ephedra is not a standard ingredient in either protein powders/drinks or meal
replacements. But always read ingredient labels. Since I posted that I would no
longer recommend specific products, I haven't. I am getting tired of repeating
myself, but GO to a healthfood store and LEARN what is ACTUALLY in different
supplements, even if you won't use them. Maybe, just maybe, your mind will be
set at ease.
On Thu Aug 29 00:15:32 2002 () said:
Yes Mel, many of us have it...
On Wed Aug 28 23:25:32 2002 Mel () said:
Is anyone familiar with diabetic
neuropathy?
On Wed Aug 28 22:00:19 2002 () said:
Squats you always tell people to use
Metax ...or something spelled like that..and the FDA issued a warning to not
take the stuff...what should we do ?
On Wed Aug 28 20:58:49 2002 () said:
Dear Peggy, sounds like you may want to
discuss the results with your Doc,you may only have to adjust your eating habits
and meet with a diabetic Educator. If you are on any protein powder or other
chemical supplements you may want to be sure and tell the DE that. Let us know
what you find out.
On Wed Aug 28 18:57:43 2002 peggy (kcreasy@bright.net) said:
I just had a
glucose tolerance challenge test. My glucose was 106 fasting, 280 1st hour, 273
second hour, 200 third hour. Does anyone have any idea what this means to
me???
On Wed Aug 28 13:51:00 2002 () said:
Name callers !!!
On Wed Aug 28 13:50:18 2002 () said:
Shame on all you bad name
callers.....I'm going home to mommy..
On Wed Aug 28 13:07:21 2002 () said:
10.57.52 = crybaby
On Wed Aug 28 11:33:21 2002 () said:
YOU MEAN I CANT SAY 'HOMO' ON
HERE??????
On Wed Aug 28 10:57:52 2002 () said:
10:09 was not meant for squats - was
meant for you and the other name callers
On Wed Aug 28 10:09:36 2002 () said:
Yea Squats, stop calling posters
names.
On Wed Aug 28 09:49:39 2002 () said:
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On Wed Aug 28 09:31:19 2002 () said:
The Land of Conflict
On Wed Aug 28 02:13:07 2002 () said:
Gee Squats..the AP's getting to
you....????
On Tue Aug 27 23:15:16 2002 Squats () said:
13:53....What chemical did I
recommend? This stupidity is....Why don't you Apers just get out of here?
Nothing serious can be discussed here anymore.
On Tue Aug 27 23:10:51 2002 Squats () said:
I have a question regarding the
stupid fool who said that nuts are filled with kidney killing protein. When used
as a fat serving, most contain 4 grams of incomplete proteins. Besides, I posted
about healthy fats. Where do you come up with the idea that healthy fats will
kill the kidneys? Where? Now I know where the idea that Diabetics should only
eat carbs and fats comes from. It comes from ignorant people who don't know of
what they speak, from name callers who lack the intelligence to understand
anything. It is no surprise to me that there was no response to my statement
about self cannibalization. AP, go join your vegan friends in eating 80% carbs,
19percent fat, all from margarine, and 1 percent protein. You will not be
healthy long!
On Tue Aug 27 21:21:20 2002 jeanne (flutterby617@yahoo.com) said:
i have a
question regarding fund raisers for american diabetes
On Tue Aug 27 14:15:43 2002 () said:
heh heh
On Tue Aug 27 14:15:34 2002 () said:
filberts and almonds and NETS OH MY
!!!!!!
On Tue Aug 27 14:13:43 2002 () said:
nets....I mean REALLY!!!!!!
Duhhhhhhhhhhhh.....heh heh
On Tue Aug 27 14:07:10 2002 () said:
nets??????????? what are they?????
retard.......heh heh
On Tue Aug 27 13:57:01 2002 () said:
filberts, almonds, nets are all loaded
with kidney killing high protein. DO NOT follow Squats diets without knowing the
danger to your renal function !
On Tue Aug 27 13:53:02 2002 () said:
Squats you are nothing but full of your
meat eaters pseudo-science chemical supplement sales pitch....take your rantings
to Getbig.com where they have good kidneys and can accept your death diet.
On Tue Aug 27 13:37:11 2002 Squats () said:
"I am not breaking" should read
"This is not breaking..." Constructive use of protein is to repair and build,
not be converted into sugar.
On Tue Aug 27 13:24:27 2002 Squats () said:
I hesitated to post this, but
something other than name calling must be posted. Essential fatty acids are
lipoproteins that help the body make use of ingested complete proteins. I am not
breaking proteins down into sugar, as usually happens with veggie proteins, but
contructive use, repairing and preserving muscle mass, new skin, etc. This is
called protein synthesis. The human body will do this, even if aminos are
lacking. In that case, it cannibalizes itself. The result is loss of lean
tissue. Whether diabetic or not, there are only two choices, get what you need
from the diet or from your own tissue. Name calling won't work on this one! This
is the physiological reality. EFA'a are found in flaxseed oil, filberts,
almonds, walnuts, etc. Remember they are to be figured in as FATS. Healthy fats,
but fats nonetheless. As always, check with a competent nutritionist.
On Tue Aug 27 09:52:48 2002 Faith () said:
Apple Annie, Why don't you go to
your GP and ask to hand carry your records to the endo. I do that with the
government hospitals all the time. They lose them too often to rely on them.
On Tue Aug 27 02:47:11 2002 Squats () said:
18:35:44 Dear Vegan, thank you
for wishing me "good luck." I am tempted to try to carry on a civil, reasoned
discussion, but that is not possible. Thank you!
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