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On Fri May 31 23:07:32 2002 () said:
i want faith
On Fri May 31 23:06:43 2002 CB () said:
Carnation instant breakfast is high
in sugar. Why would a Diabetic want ti drunk that?
On Fri May 31 14:20:00 2002 () said:
10:37:37, All right already!! We heard
you the first time! Drrrrrrrrr!
On Fri May 31 10:37:37 2002 () said:
Heaven, hell and sin are only Christian
concepts...ment to give religious guilt and keep people in line.....make money
too..
On Fri May 31 09:52:06 2002 Amy (hessah@uc.edu) said:
Betty: I have replied
to you in e-mail, hope it helps. "J" thanks for your trust in me - but please be
advised that I'm not a medical professional/clinician, but rather in emergency
medicine medical education. I think the "sin" issue related to the stem cell
debate is the use of stem cells from aborted fetuses. Like I said before, this
is obviously an emotionally charged issue with no easy answers.
On Fri May 31 08:22:12 2002 () said:
Carnation Instant Breakfast might also
be good. Thats what the dentist tells you to drink if you are unable to eat and
this gives you all of the vitamins. This helps cancer patients who vomit
alot.
On Fri May 31 02:35:03 2002 CB () said:
Got hypertrophy?
On Fri May 31 02:34:06 2002 CB () said:
Betty Totten: Metr-x, while it won;t
cure the gastroparesis, might be gentle enough for your dad to handle. I have
read that it is used in hospitals. This company puts out a product called RTD.
It is low carb, low sugar, low fat, and easily digested. Ask the doctor about
it.
On Fri May 31 00:54:58 2002 () said:
Hi Betty, am not trying to be a smart
ass but you could get him to smoke some pot, or if you are in a state that
allows it get a RX for some extract...I had same problem when I had chemo and it
worked real good....
On Fri May 31 00:48:26 2002 () said:
I like the clothes idea..i'll try
that....
On Thu May 30 23:53:52 2002 () said:
religonists suck shit. Wish they would
stay the hell away from this site already. Spew their garble where it belongs,
at every ones front door. You can then tell them to take their clothes off. I've
done that, they haven't come back since.
On Thu May 30 21:38:07 2002 () said:
For you that don;t read the paper Jesus
Rest is a religious group that does not belive in embalming or touching the body
after death...they target funeral homes much the same as the anti abortion
groups target Doctors and nurses, here in Minn the group is suspect in the
murder on 2 funeral home directors and religious hate mail to many others...but
as we have allowed the religionists to take over this chat many times I guess
they are no different.
On Thu May 30 19:53:40 2002 dpbear (powelldh@mindspring.com) said:
blood
sugar levels going up for no apparent reason..
On Thu May 30 19:52:22 2002 J () said:
I agree with 19:36:23 - Please
10:15:09 find another site -- You don't belong on this one!! If I want preaching
I'll go to a religious site. Please leave or keep you beliefs to yourself.
Thank-You This site is for Diabetes info only.
On Thu May 30 19:36:23 2002 () said:
O.K., 10:15:09..so what DO you call the
dead? Are you a Funeral Parlor? Just curious. "Jesus Rest Ministries"..? I
figure if someone doesn't condone donating, then that someone would not be a
organ donor. This is an individual choice. No man, religion, law or persuasion
can choose, or judge this choice for another. Also, this is a diabetic chat, not
a religious website.
On Thu May 30 18:25:29 2002 Betty Totten (ricbettotten@cs.com) said:
I care
for my 82 year old Dad, he suffers from Gallstone related pancreatitis and
developed diabetis as a result. He has recently been diagnose with Diabetic
Gastro Peresis, and I'm trying to find some info about this illness. My Dad will
have spells of vomitting literally cups of mucas,and can last up to 8 hours. I'm
looking for any means of preventing his throwing up. My Dad has been ill for 2
years and was on a feeding tube for 13 months, he is able to eat, but very
limited in variety. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you.Betty
Totten
On Thu May 30 16:09:12 2002 () said:
Damm religionists
On Thu May 30 13:56:57 2002 J () said:
I really don't understand what the
"sin" is in this research of islet/stem cell research. If anything is taken from
babies its in the umbilical cord and the babies are already born and come to
absolutely NO harm. Unless I have my info all wrong - then - Amy - please
educate me. (I trust your info more than anyone else on this line) Thanks
On Thu May 30 11:33:41 2002 Amy (.) said:
Well....who didn't see that one
coming a mile away.
On Thu May 30 11:06:47 2002 () said:
Amy I will pray for your sister to
understand her sin.
On Thu May 30 10:44:55 2002 Amy (hesshah@uc.edu) said:
Sam: The islet cell
transplant process is quite minimally invasive - the cells are infused through
the hepatic vein, really very uncomplicated and not at all unpleasant. I had a
cardiac ablation last year that caused me a lot more stress than the thought of
the transplant! The issue of islet cell/stem cells/xenotransplantation is going
to be hotly debated and contested for a very long time. I believe this is an
intensely personal choice that should be made by the individual. However, both
sides of the argument will not rest unless they feel they have swayed everyone
in their particular direction. My sister is a nurse on the stem cell transplant
unit at a hospital here. It's rare that her patients survive the transplant
(they are so critically ill by the time they recieve the stem cells), most of
them succumb to the immunosuppresive therapy. Again, these are extremely sick
patients with no other hope. However, not one patient she has cared for hasn't
gone after the transplant with 100% aggression and belief that they are pioneers
for the future. There is a huge difference in each of these type of transplants
that should be recognized. This is hardly a "one size fits all" situation.
On Thu May 30 10:15:09 2002 () said:
Sam, please do not refer to the dead ,
those called in HIS NAME , as cadavers. Many do not condone violation of the
body. For whatever reason. Jesus Rest Ministries.
On Thu May 30 09:00:51 2002 Sam () said:
Just a note..The ABC special last
night was on Islet Cell Transplants...from cadavers. These donors are dead. The
recipient was a 43 year old woman with IDDM (type 1). Perhaps "Islet" and "stem
cell" research should not be grouped together, as they are entirely different
processes. She now is insulin-free..but you have to be under 50 to volunteer for
this process. The Specialists need the beta cells, from the Islets of
Langerhans, from 2 cadavers for this process. Then the beta cells are injected
into the liver portal of the patient, where they lodge and begin producing
insulin. Not a fun process, but you get sedated during it.
On Thu May 30 08:51:35 2002 . (.) said:
Islet cell transplantation is not
the same as stem cell transplantation - do some homework before spouting
off.
On Thu May 30 05:51:17 2002 () said:
i got this question asking why a boy
died after eating 16 chocolate bars and boiled sweets for two days. and i got to
answer why he died for this large quantity of insulin in his system
On Thu May 30 05:49:08 2002 () said:
yeah i was just wondering, how you die
if you have too much insulin in your system
On Thu May 30 05:45:02 2002 () said:
IN JESUS NAME, please NO stem cell
research. God will give to diabetics without the baby killing !
On Thu May 30 02:00:45 2002 j () said:
AMY - THANKS SO VERY MUCH FOR SHARING
THAT INFORMATIVE ARTICLE ON ISLET AND STEM CELL RESEARCH. ANYONE WHO HAS
DIABETES MUST SUPPORT THIS RESEARCH OF THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR OR ANYONE
ELSES DIABETES. THANK-YOU THANK-YOU THANK-YOU "J"
On Thu May 30 01:07:45 2002 () said:
If you support, you
abort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Wed May 29 23:38:07 2002 0 (0) said:
We need to support stem cell
research!!!!!!! Read more about it and do your own research!!! Help with these
dreaded diseases. SUPPORT STEM CELL RESEARCH. SUPPORT SUPPORT SUPPORT SUPPORT
SUPPORT.
On Wed May 29 18:15:16 2002 () said:
What's a Yenta ?
On Wed May 29 17:18:56 2002 () said:
we could try to find a yenta for rabbi
bernstein.
On Wed May 29 17:17:00 2002 () said:
Amy, thanks for posting that
information but we do NOT SUPPORT STEM CELL REASEARCH FOR ANY REASON !.We are
sure you do not want to have the lives of killed babies on your hands.
On Wed May 29 17:08:07 2002 hussein osseili (husseinosseili@hotmail.com) said:
pls i would like your help about any information of diabetestype one 1 or
the inhaler insulin glouco wacth and we hope all the resuerch will be come real
On Wed May 29 16:04:08 2002 Amy (hessah@uc.edu) said:
Some of you may recall
that I posted a while back about being a candidate for the islet cell
transplantation protocol at the University of Cincinnati. I was rejected as a
candidate today due to my family history of cancer (my mom passed away and my
dad is currently fighting the disease)and the fact that I'm a single parent with
a young child. We collectively made the decision that since I'm doing well on
pump therapy, the risk from the immunosuppresive drugs was not one to take,
given my life circumstances. Attached is an article from ABC news online that
may be of interest - and supports the decision we made today. While I'm
disappointed, I'm realistic that this is the right choice for me. FROM ABC NEWS:
No More Shots? Transplants for Diabetes Hold Promise, Face Limitations By
Melinda T. Willis May 29 - Can diabetes be transplanted away? Transplantation of
insulin-producing cells is producing miraculous results, say experts. Yet they
are quick to add there are very real limitations to its more widespread use. One
million Americans have type I diabetes, the most severe form in which the body's
own immune system attacks insulin-producing cells. The diagnosis of what is also
known as juvenile onset diabetes requires lifelong insulin injections to manage
the disease. However, researchers are exploring alternative treatment options.
One is transplantation into diabetics of either a whole pancreas, or, in a
less-expensive, less-invasive procedure, just the insulin-producing pancreatic
cells called islets. Researchers from various institutions have reported success
in transplanting islets (pronounced "IZ-lets") into patients with severe
complications from type I diabetes, many of whom have subsequently reduced or
eliminated their dependence on insulin. Too Few Donors While many view islet
transplantation as a significant medical advance, its use as a treatment or
potential cure of diabetes is limited. "The number one difficulty is that we
don't have enough islets to transplant," says Dr. Robert Goldstein, chief
scientific officer at the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation International in
New York, NY. Islets are currently harvested from about 5,500 cadaver donors in
the United States each year. Even then, certain cells from that relatively small
number of donors may not be eligible. Illness and logistical factors can make
organs unsuitable for transplantation, and reduce availability by as many as
2,000 donors. "There are 30,000 new cases of type I diabetes each year, so 3,500
donors a year is just inadequate," says Dr. David Sutherland, head of the
division of transplantation and director of the Diabetes Institute for
Immunology and Transplantation at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis.
And the supply may be limited even further, given that successful
transplantation protocols like that reported by researchers from the University
of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, which required islet cells from multiple donors.
"If it takes all of the islets purified from one pancreas to be transplanted
twice to help somebody, we have a diminishing returns problem here," says
Goldstein. Lifelong Immunosuppression A further limitation is the fact that
while transplantation may reduce or eliminate the need for insulin injection,
recipients of islet cells require lifelong immunosuppression to prevent
rejection. "Many people think that the price of immunosuppression is worth the
cost of being a diabetic," says Sutherland. "It's an individual decision." Yet
the price of immunosuppression is quite high. Suppressed immune systems are ill
equipped to fight infection and are at an increased risk of developing cancer.
"As a potential cure for a 10-year-old with type I diabetes, this is not it,"
says Goldstein. "We can't give 10-year-olds lifelong immunosuppression - it's
just too toxic. That's trading one bad disease for another." This is why
candidates for such transplantation are those with severe complications of the
disease, such as severely low blood sugar that causes unconsciousness, seizures
or impaired cognition, that are poorly controlled with insulin. Other candidates
are those who require other transplants, such as a kidney, and would be given
immunosupression anyway. Almost 5,000 of 5,700 pancreas transplants have been
performed simultaneously with or following a kidney transplant between 1997 and
2001. For others, some experts say that the trade-off is simply not worth the
risk. "It's one thing if you have a really bad disease for which you cannot do
anything else, but here I am talking about somebody who is doing OK on insulin
shots. Would I want to put them at that kind of risk?" says Goldstein.
Overcoming Barriers Without these barriers, islet cell transplantation could
well be the solution to a burgeoning diabetes problem, and scientists are
currently working on ways to increase the supply of islet cells that are
available for transplantation. Research areas include xenotransplantation, in
which islets from pigs are being explored for human use, the use of stem cells
that are coaxed to develop into insulin-producing cells, and living donor
transplants. However, none of these areas has produced the far-reaching results
for which researchers have hoped, they acknowledge. Another future goal, and one
for all areas of transplantation, is to induce immune tolerance of transplanted
organs. "The idea is that if I can figure out how to show your body that the
organ I am giving you is not foreign, and I can do that by instructing the
immune system not to reject it, I can induce tolerance," explains Goldstein.
While these research goals are not immediately within reach, there is enthusiasm
that they may not be all that far away, either, and that a cure for diabetes is
on the horizon. "[Success with islet cell transplants] has given us a tremendous
platform to advance research quickly," says Goldstein. "Some very special people
have had their lifestyle remarkably improved at the cost of immunosuppression
and that's a wonderful medical achievement, but that's not a cure." To hear the
story of one woman's success with islet cell transplantation, watch "A Closer
Look" on World News Tonight this evening.
On Wed May 29 14:36:58 2002 CB () said:
fAITH: I try to drink at least a
gallon of water each day, sometimes more. I wish people would realize the RDA is
minimal. Activity will demand an increase in nutrient intake, as will a
condition like Diabetes. Keep it up Faith!
On Wed May 29 14:13:11 2002 J () said:
I have been counting carbs (and have
taught this method for 2 yrs now)and find it effective helping me control my BS.
Anything better out there now?? I've heard a few things about counting grams now
but don't understand it. Thanks
On Wed May 29 14:11:01 2002 . (.) said:
Yeah, right.....like he could find a
woman who would put up with his egotism.....you'd have better luck finding a
woman for Bernstein!
On Wed May 29 14:04:04 2002 () said:
cb have you ever considered a woman to
help you find something in the world besides yourself ?
On Wed May 29 09:28:58 2002 () said:
CB, in regards to all my drinking, did
you see hear or speak about drinking more than 8 bottles a day as being touted
by so many people in the health profession as being a good thing? This drinking
is good for you one day and then the next also. As far as I'm concerned drinking
is good for you every day. Love, Faith
On Wed May 29 09:18:47 2002 Faith () said:
CB, in regards to drinking water,
did you see or hear the report recently about 'not' drinking 8 glasses of 8 ozs.
of water a day, as being touted by so many people in the health profession. One
day something is good for you then the next it's bad. As far as I'm concerned,
drinking that much water is good for you.
On Wed May 29 06:41:44 2002 CB () said:
Has anyone hear been told to eat
carbs according to bodyweight? I know protein is often linked to bodyweight,
e.g. 1 gm/pound of bodyweight. Some people find this helpful to lose fat.
On Wed May 29 05:58:59 2002 CB () said:
"Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill" by
Udo Erasmus, might be a good read. There are essential fatty acids that the body
needs to function. They are found in salmon, makerel, and other deep cold water
fish, seeds, and nuts. Espcially if the CDE has you on 20-30% of your calories
from fats, these sources can be lifesavers. Just a thought to pass on.
On Tue May 28 21:06:22 2002 () said:
Jim what about the spanking ?
On Tue May 28 18:01:58 2002 () said:
It is never better to go with whole
foods. I disagree with you on this one. Stupid point. Big Tight Wad!!!! After
exercise, make sure to sit down and prop your feet up, and keep drinking. It
takes stress off the brain,(Faith please note this). Love C.B.
On Tue May 28 16:31:31 2002 CB () said:
It is always better to go with whole
foods. I agree with you on this one. Excellent point. BTW, after exercise, make
sure some protein is taken in to help recovery, and keep drinking water. It
takes stress off the kidneys.
On Tue May 28 14:37:27 2002 Re:complete and incomplete categories, based on the
amino acid profile (Complimentary Protein?) said:
Wouldn't it be better and
easier to just drink a glass of milk with the peanut butter sandwich? Examples:
peanut butter sandwich and milk, bean burrito with yogurt and cheddar;
vegetarian chili with jalapeno cheddar; split-pea soup with mint yogurt
On Tue May 28 14:35:45 2002 () said:
CB: Thanks for your interesting
information. While some people may not appreciate it, there are many here,
including me, who find it both interesting and valuable. Thanks for
sharing!!
On Tue May 28 11:55:04 2002 () said:
bee poop
On Tue May 28 06:20:11 2002 CB () said:
Just as carbohydrateds are divided
into complex and simple categories and rated in a glycemic indes, which measures
effect on blood sugar, so proteins are divided into complete and incomplete
categories, based on the amino acid profile. They too, are rated per their
bioavailability. This measures their usefullness to the body. Generally
speaking, animal proteins rate higher. Plant proteins, (lacking essential amino
acids )yhose which the body cannot produce), rank lower. Nut proteins are also
incomplete. So, if you have that peanut butter sandwich for lunch, pop some
amino acid caps. You'll like the difference! This is besic nutrition info, just
ask the CDE
On Tue May 28 01:31:45 2002 () said:
Thanks CB
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