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On Thu Mar 22 23:48:22 2001 kayC (kdchan@teleclipse.net) said:
I have missed reading your posts. Did not realize how much I learned from reading your posts until I couldn't. It is good to find ya'lll again. Take care....

On Thu Mar 22 21:16:39 2001 gordo (same) said:
Me to: I don't know anything about it. Around the bread basket plains states, early wheat growth is heavily used for cattle fodder before the pastures green up. Most green veggies are loaded with minerals, depending on what is available in the soil locally, plus a lot of chlorophyl. Vitamin content of some kinds is destroyed by heating. The thing to remember is these are exempt from drug testing by FDA since they have been classed as a non-drug and are not subject to FDA testing and approval. Thus, claims do not have to be substantiated. You take any medication or food at your own risk, so know what you are doing and who you are dealing with. This is one reason that I am opposed to fad diets. Even the doctors can't agree on long term damage. We diabetics wrote the book on long term complications. We can document what they are but not exactly what caused them. Be very careful. One period on the old chatboard, mant of the posters elaborated in great detail about diabetic complications that each had personally experienced and how they thought that these complications were heavily influenced by their own individual rejection of diabetes. Self denial has heavily influenced many disastrous complications. Although I personally have only experienced cataracts on both eyes, I paid very close attention to Aussie Bob, John V.,The man in Wisconsin that had so much trouble and was a wealth of information, I apologize for forgetting his name, Vinny, Faith, Bambi, Fara, Anita, Ruth, And so many more that I can't recall. Although some do not believe in making newbees and oldies aware of the horrific consequences that result from non-compliance to good glucose control, but I am not one of them. I wish that those back chats were available for the newbees of today and tomorrow. I had a call from a fellow diabetic last night on Firetalk that saw my name on his contact list. After finding out a lit5tle more about his degree of self control, I tried to explain to him the influence that his obesity had on his type 2 glucose control. He was on oral medications plus insulin injection at night to lower his fasting numbers. He conveniently invented another call to get me out of his comfort zone with my meddling about nutrition and exercise. I did him a favor. I logged off and went to bed. Gordo

On Thu Mar 22 21:05:08 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Well guys, it is STILL SNOWING HERE. Has been since last night. Now they say it is going to go on until tomorrow afternoon. Now do you see why I am discouraged!!!! Blood sugars are fine though!!! Hi Gordo, Misty, Marc W. John V, and Faith, you lucky girl, driving around in your Red Mustang with the top down. Come and get me to go for a ride!!!!!

On Thu Mar 22 19:23:10 2001 ARACELI BARRON () said:
CAN I HAVE A PICTURE OF SOMEONE WITH DIABETES.

On Thu Mar 22 19:22:03 2001 AMY GUERRERO () said:
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF I COULD HAVE A PICTURE OF SOMEONE WITH DIABETES.

On Thu Mar 22 19:17:59 2001 AMY GUERRERO (BONNIE6429@VSTA.COM) said:
WHICH TYPE IS WORST 1 0R 2

On Thu Mar 22 17:56:50 2001 gordo (same) said:
Me to: I don't know anything about it. Around the bread basket plains states, early wheat growth is heavily used for cattle fodder before the pastures green up. Most green veggies are loaded with minerals, depending on what is available in the soil locally, plus a lot of chlorophyl. Vitamin content of some kinds is destroyed by heating. The thing to remember is these are exempt from drug testing by FDA since they have been classed as a non-drug and are not subject to FDA testing and approval. Thus, claims do not have to be substantiated. You take any medication or food at your own risk, so know what you are doing and who you are dealing with. This is one reason that I am opposed to fad diets. Even the doctors can't agree on long term damage. We diabetics wrote the book on long term complications. We can document what they are but not exactly what caused them. Be very careful. One period on the old chatboard, mant of the posters elaborated in great detail about diabetic complications that each had personally experienced and how they thought that these complications were heavily influenced by their own individual rejection of diabetes. Self denial has heavily influenced many disastrous complications. Although I personally have only experienced cataracts on both eyes, I paid very close attention to Aussie Bob, John V.,The man in Wisconsin that had so much trouble and was a wealth of information, I apologize for forgetting his name, Vinny, Faith, Bambi, Fara, Anita, Ruth, And so many more that I can't recall. Although some do not believe in making newbees and oldies aware of the horrific consequences that result from non-compliance to good glucose control, but I am not one of them. I wish that those back chats were available for the newbees of today and tomorrow. I had a call from a fellow diabetic last night on Firetalk that saw my name on his contact list. After finding out a lit5tle more about his degree of self control, I tried to explain to him the influence that his obesity had on his type 2 glucose control. He was on oral medications plus insulin injection at night to lower his fasting numbers. He conveniently invented another call to get me out of his comfort zone with my meddling about nutrition and exercise. I did him a favor. I logged off and went to bed. Gordo

On Thu Mar 22 17:35:27 2001 bambi (bambilovestim@email.com) said:
There's a pic and article on the Glucowatch at MSNBC. Here's the link: http://www.msnbc.com/news/548188.asp

On Thu Mar 22 17:06:58 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Gordo..none, how bout you? Since we have talked about it enough, I hope someone here bought some shares! Faith, you gotta enjoy the finer things in life. Have fun with it now, don't you get to about 110 during the summer? Hey () if you love me, lets see if you remember my birthday tomorrow?

On Thu Mar 22 16:55:37 2001 Faithie (same) said:
Marc - oh, at times it is! (Life's Good, ain't it!) But I must say driving with the wind whipping through my hair, (showing the grey roots) is fun! (Got to get those roots covered!!!! LOL

On Thu Mar 22 16:55:00 2001 Gordo (gordom@earthlink.net) said:
Marc w.: How many of those 4,778,000 shares traded today at a 32.6 % gain (CYGN)were yours? Gordo

On Thu Mar 22 16:48:43 2001 () said:
I LOVE MARC......

On Thu Mar 22 16:43:32 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Please Explain what a joke is? OK, this is straight out of the dictionary... JOKE: Something said or done to provoke laughter. I hope that helps you understand my post to Faithie. Faith... I remember, that's another thing I am jealous of. So now your telling me that your cruising around with a 7 day old insertion with the top down. Life is good, aint it? .........

On Thu Mar 22 16:36:56 2001 Faithie (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc ----I must say, I don't think the other drivers would appreciate 'my' top down, but my car's top WAS the top I was referring to. Marc, shame on you, you JUST had to ask, didn't you. Remember my convertable red Mustang! Like you ever would forget! LOL It's almost 80 out now, so the ole "CAR" top is going down again. Had a low at lunch time that my tongue did that strange thing of going tingle and numb again. That hasn't happened in a long time! Must have been that one unit I bolused this morning, trying to bring my 161 down. Went down too far, and that was after eating some crackers and peanut butter for a snack. Go figure!!!!!

On Thu Mar 22 16:14:53 2001 () said:
THATS NOT A VERY CHRISTIAN THING TO ASK A MARRIED WOMAN MARC...PLEASE EXPLAIN????????

On Thu Mar 22 15:19:57 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
I just survived something scarier than diabetes, a drive thru Compton!Misty, thanks for the info and sorry to hear about your Uncle. Herb, sorry to hear about your daughter. There is something so wrong about watching a sick child, it is supposed to be the other way around. Good luck on the glasses, let me know through here or e-mail how the heck those work for you. I know this must be exciting for you, the prospect of seeing ok again.CB... how did you possibly get to 4.4? I am starting to think my 6.2 isn't that good.And I must finish with this question, FAITHIE, please tell me that it was your CAR that had it's top down?.......MarcW

On Thu Mar 22 14:40:44 2001 HELLO () said:
U.S. diabetics won their first painless way to measure blood sugar Thursday, as the government approved a wristwatch-like device to do the job. Cygnus Inc.'s GlucoWatch checks glucose levels every 20 minutes by sending tiny electric currents through the skin. The GlucoWatch won't completely replace those finger-prick blood tests that diabetics perform because it's not perfect, sometimes giving erroneous readings, the Food and Drug Administration warned. But it will supplement finger testing, providing the more frequent blood monitoring that can help keep diabetics healthier, the FDA said. Better, it sounds an alarm if blood sugar hits dangerous levels -- possibly life-saving if glucose plummets while they sleep. To use the prescription-only GlucoWatch, patients slide a thin plastic sensor onto the watch's back each time they strap it on. Small electric currents extract a tiny portion of glucose from fluid in skin cells instead of blood, measuring it every 20 minutes for 12 hours. So far, the device is only for adults, the FDA stressed. That will greatly disappoint many parents of child diabetics, who particularly struggle with those painful finger-prick tests and are anxiously awaiting painless monitoring. But not only has Cygnus not yet studied the GlucoWatch in children, doctors simply don't know if glucose measured in skin cell fluid correlates to blood measurements in children like it does in adults. So the FDA will watch closely to ensure it is properly prescribed just to adults. California-based Cygnus did not immediately say how soon the watch would start selling, or its price. But physicians must be trained to use it, and then train patients who must accurately answer a quiz before Cygnus can ship them a watch. Some 16 million Americans have diabetes, meaning their bodies cannot properly regulate blood sugar, or glucose. They check their levels by pricking a finger and placing a drop of blood on reactive strips. Doctors urge those tests be done frequently, four to eight times a day, because they can help patients better control diabetes and thus lower their chances of debilitating complications such as blindness, kidney disease and nerve damage. But these fingerstick tests are painful and inconvenient, leading the average patient to test only twice a day. Even those who frequently test cannot know if glucose soars or drops between testing or during sleep. Indeed, many diabetics who become hypoglycemic at night set alarm clocks to wake them every few hours for testing and treatment. But never decide to use insulin based on a GlucoWatch reading without first double-checking with a fingerstick test, the FDA warned. While the GlucoWatch generally is as good as blood tests, a quarter of the time GlucoWatch readings can differ from blood tests by about 30 percent. That could be a problem, particularly in detecting hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar. But Cygnus says patients can program the GlucoWatch to sound an alarm before glucose plummets to dangerous levels, giving time for a blood test. Also, the watch won't measure if the patient's arm becomes too sweaty and is less effective at detecting very low glucose than very high levels, the FDA cautioned.

On Thu Mar 22 14:25:21 2001 Me to (*) said:
Gordon....What is your honest opinion of wheatgrass from a holistic, nutritional, diabetic standpoint? I've read lots and lots about it....they make some pretty incredible claims.....

On Thu Mar 22 12:57:37 2001 Mark () said:
http://cbc.ca:80/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/03/21/milk_msdiab010321 this is a news site following up on a theory that juvenile dibetes onset is or could be brought on by drinking cow's milk when an infant. Also the cygnus glocowatch news is incouraging as it looks like it will hit the market soon. The glucowatch is worn on the wrist and reads your blood sugars up to three times a day, recording for 3 months at a time and alerts the wearer of low or high trends before you get into much trouble. Hope it does everthing they say it can as it is just what I need barring a complete cure without taking rejection meds.

On Thu Mar 22 10:51:37 2001 Misty (chmgm@yahoo.com) said:
JohnV & MarcW- Sorry for the delay in answer. I have been staying with my Aunt at the intebsive care unit, my Uncle is very ill. I do fold the polyskin in half and cut a quater size hole in the fold to cover insertion set. This is not part of the set but does make it secure. The trainer said she had a lot of people start with a rash that turned into a sore and then got infected using the IV prep. I chose to try the other way first and if that did not work I would go to the IV prep. Hope I answered all the questions, I will now try to get some sleep. We got home from the hospital very early this morning. Love & Luck, Misty

On Thu Mar 22 10:37:00 2001 () said:
TOP DOWN????BET THE TRUCKERS LIKED THAT FAITH!!!!!!!

On Thu Mar 22 10:05:44 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Jim, thanks for remembering and asking about my nephew-in-law. He is still not able to walk. And he is having some depression because of that. I guess I should say a lot of depression. He is not doing well at all. Thanks again for asking. Faye, I guess you don't want to hear that I've driven home the last two days with my top down. LOL Had a bit of a high this morning, 161, but with 'Ralph' I just pumped in a unit and went on my way. Marc, how's it going with your pump? Hope this works for you. Herb, I'm so sorry about your daughter! You know how I will remember her! And to Whom! Take care of yourself! I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but my former boss passed away on the 12th. I found out about it 'after' we got to west Texas for spring break. He was a wonderful man! Will check back in later. Hey Bambi, how's it going?

On Thu Mar 22 09:12:51 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Good morning to all, HERB--I am so sorry to hear about your daughter. I will keep her in my thoughts.----The weather man was right!!Snow started around 8 o'clock last night. A very wet heavy snow and lots of wind. Many power outages, but not me yet. Have about a foot of the new crap on the ground and it is still snowing hard. Schools have been canceled all over the state. What a mess. JIM, I would welcome some of that heat to complain about, right about now. Everyone have a great day with good BS's

On Thu Mar 22 07:01:16 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning everyone. CB & Marc W.- My first HbA1c was 4.9 and the next 5.0, and there were times that my bs dipped down into the 40's and 50's. Another good reason to test often. Herb- I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter. I will keep a good thought for her. Faye- Hang in there. It won't be too long and we'll be complaining about the heat. Faith- How's that relative of yours doing that had the motorcycle wreck?

On Thu Mar 22 04:06:50 2001 CB () said:
More on wheatgrass. Yes, it is a powerful laxative. Really works well with a diet high in fiber. Now for something else! Try some carrot juice with spirulina, another "superfood". It has all exxential amino acids plus vitains and minerals. It grows in fresh water. These are low calorie, except for the carrot juice, so shouldn't throw bs off.

On Thu Mar 22 04:01:47 2001 vvffb (c xz c) said:
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On Thu Mar 22 03:58:51 2001 CB () said:
Marc W. At work, bs averages around 70-90, even after mneals. Add to that long term effects of heavy lifting, and a 5 isn't hard to get! That however is not the lowest. I have had a 4.4 before.

On Thu Mar 22 01:00:09 2001 () said:
Herb don't start the religious nuts will come back

On Thu Mar 22 00:58:11 2001 () said:
THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE THAT USE WITCHCRAFT AND DEVIL WORSHIP....

On Thu Mar 22 00:56:32 2001 () said:
I THINK I SAW A WITCH ON HERE..!!!!

On Thu Mar 22 00:10:59 2001 Herb (Bear) (hjs38@swbell.net) said:
Jodi and I have to go to OKC again tomorrow. I have to see the dr. with the diabetic ulcers on my leg. And I get to pick my first pair of glasses. This will be a pair of quad-focaal glasses that will focus from 10 ft out to infinity. The second pair will be bi-focals that will focus from my nose out to ten feet. Our daughter is still in the hospital in OKC and is not doing at all well. We are resigning ourselves to the fact that we are in all liklihood in the process of losing her. I'll see all of you folks when we get back. Herb (Bear)

On Wed Mar 21 17:31:50 2001 Sue (sueshappy@hotmail.com) said:
That would be me on glucophage and wheatgrass too Bambi! haha Yup, Vinny was kind enough to show me the pump and all that goes with. It really is neat. I hadn't imagined that it could be so small and light even after looking at pictures and hearing you talk about it. Just got back my A1c and I'm 7.9. We've been fooling around with meds for three months so I'm not really surprised. Hopefully that will get sorted out next week. Other than having fuzzy vision from the high Bg I'm feeling great. Sue

On Wed Mar 21 17:11:05 2001 Bambi (bambilovestim@email.com) said:
Going back to the wheatgrass discussion.... nobody mentioned that it is a powerful laxative! My father-in-law (health food nut) drinks it for "cleansing". Anyway, I'd be afraid of an explosion if I mixed it in my gut with Glucophage! LOL!!

On Wed Mar 21 16:36:55 2001 () said:
JOHN,....BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH......IM GETTING A BAD LOW

On Wed Mar 21 16:08:33 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Faith.. you got that in when I was typing mine. That cracked me up. Good point, problem is I don't exactly look like I just have muscles. Hey, if I am going to have that problem, I should at least get to look like I have that problem. Sure I will trade for an extra day or two. You know how bad 6 or 7 days is for you , don't you? I have never heard of anyone getting more than maybe 4 days until you. You must fill up a resevoir atleast twice for every insertion. Some people have all the luck.

On Wed Mar 21 16:04:16 2001 JOHN (a/b) said:
To 0,.... I like to really, really thank you for the correction. Gosh, I had NO idea. JOHN.

On Wed Mar 21 16:01:46 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Hi Faye... I couldn't even imagine all that snow. I am glad that your feeling good, I know I worry too much about you but OK just didn't sound as good as doing fine. CB... how the heck do you get to a 5.0? Isn't that TOO LOW? Do you run into really low lows? I am more than happy at 6.2. I feel good, my doc is happy. I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to get that low without running into problems. Even John's 5.9 without a pump was impressive. Hi Sue, how are you? When you saw Vinny, was that the first time you saw the pump? What did you think, interesting, isn't it.

On Wed Mar 21 15:52:30 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc W. - you get jealous about me getting 6 days, (repeat), 6 days, and I get jealous when you talk about nothing but muscle and nerves in your tummy! I've got some to spare, you want some!? LOL

On Wed Mar 21 15:50:02 2001 CB () said:
Some of us do ok even without the pump. Last Aig was 5.0 which made the doctor happy. No gym today. Heavy squats Monday and hams/calves yesterday, need to rest. I work 3-12 so have to get ready for going in.

On Wed Mar 21 14:52:32 2001 JOHN. (A/B) said:
Faye,....so sorry about all the snow, hard to believe it keeps going on. Time to move to the north,....to the lower mainland of BC. Climate must be changing a lot. JOHN.

On Wed Mar 21 14:50:40 2001 () said:
They are called AMERICANS you Canuck

On Wed Mar 21 14:15:52 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Hi Marc W., I am really OK, just discouraged at the snow around my house and more is predicted for tonight and tomorrow, 7-14 inches. I have ten foot snow banks in front of my porch now, can't see a car go by because the banks are so high, and it is suppose to be spring!!!!!! Health wise I am doing fine. Still losing weight and feel good. Still wonder what caused me to be so sick. I am not dwelling on it but it pops up in my mind every once in a while. I just ordered a new cookbook by Mr. Food and the 1999 Miss America. It is called Mr. Food's Quick and Easy Cooking for Diabetics. I am anxious for it to come.

On Wed Mar 21 14:11:14 2001 JOHN V. (A/B) said:
Good morning everyone.!!!!! Yesterday was the first day of spring and boy was it ever. We went for our daily walk and the sun was shining like it had fun in doing so and there was no wind blowing. Sun shine today, good for all the Americanskies who are visiting Vancouver for the World Figure Skating Competitions. Your Todd Elderidge is 2nd so far after the Russian. Our Stoyko has fallen apart. But he CAN do it.--------- I know we all who have to do the daily grind of care taking in Diabetes think back to the past from time to time. However with 18 medical treatments per day I could be even more inclined that way. But when I think of the alternative I think I have a good deal here. I can walk, breath, speak, see, my heart is still ticking (except this morning when I had a severe chestpain.) and I even sing in the shower but with the door tightly closed so the neighbors will not be forced to move away. All with all with the sun shining outside it even feels like it is shining inside for a bit....not a bad day. Do you know that we are going in for two summers and only one winter.??? Such a deal.!!! JOHN.

On Wed Mar 21 13:57:56 2001 () said:
I HAD A BAD LOW ONCE WHILE IN TORONTO

On Wed Mar 21 12:22:04 2001 Sue (sueshappy@hotmail.com) said:
Haven't got a thing to say but hi. I'm finding the pump talk interesting, wondering if something better still will come along before I get there. Cheers, Sue

On Wed Mar 21 10:52:29 2001 Marc W (sdlightningbolts55@yahoo.com) said:
Hi Faye... OK is not good, is there something wrong. You know you can talk to me anytime. Faith, 6 days, 6 days. Why do you get 6 days? That's so unfair.You know I am laughing when writing that, is there anything about diabetes that's fair. Jim.. so far so good. It is too early to know if I will run into problems. I still feel discomfort, I think my stomach is made of muscle and nerves, because that's all I ever seem to hit! But the main concern, control, is just great. So I live with my 2 days, try not to get too mad at Faith for rubbing my nose in 6, and deal with it. I am much more happy on the pump, even with some things that happen to me that aren't the norm. 9:25.. great writing. I don't think that there is a person here who couldn't relate to everything you said......Marc W

On Wed Mar 21 10:41:07 2001 Jim (As below) said:
Me- I would trade my routine for a cure any day of the week, and it wouldn't be a chore to learn a new one. I'm just so tired of the day in day out crap with this disease. It just about makes me ill to see people not taking care of their diabetes. My nephew (22 yrs old) was diagnosed type II almost a year ago. He told me the other day that he only tests once a week on Saturday morning. I tried to tell him about the complications coming his way, but he just wasn't interested. Irritating! Jim

On Wed Mar 21 10:07:51 2001 Faye aka fara (fteague@sugar-river.net) said:
Good morning everyone. I have been reading but not posting. I am doing OK. Hi to Marc W, Jim, Faith, JohnV, ane MarcB., and all the newbies

On Wed Mar 21 10:04:00 2001 Faith (saext@hotmail.com) said:
Marc W. This last time I got 6 days! Took a little more insulin while on vacation!----------Misty, I'm lazy, and lucky, I don't do any extra prepping of the injection site, but I do put a Polyskin on "before" I inject the needle. Then, after injection, I put the piece with the hole in the middle that comes with Soft-set quick release on, and then another Polyskin over that. I then loop the tubing and place a bit of clear surgical tape over that. ---------MiniMed recommended the two Polyskins because I was getting infections from the plastic tabs around the needle. Haven't had any trouble since! 9:25 - I have had many of those days. Even after 32 almost 33 years of this crap! The worst times have been when I would go into denial. I can remember way back when I was going to show everyone I wasn't "really" a diabetic. I didn't take any shots for about two days. The third day I nearly had to crawl into the kitchen to get to my insulin. I know I had to be in DKA, but those were the days of testing your urine in a test tube, and I didn't even have the strength to do that. Never did tell my husband what I did. I'm sure I should have been in the hospital.------And even as late as seven years ago I went into denial again. That was when I was on multiple shots a day and still not getting good results. Then and there is when I decided to go on the pump.-----Believe me, as much as I love the pump, I still wish for the days of not having to worry about what I eat. When I eat, or have I taken enough insulin to cover my carbs.--------But, life goes on!!! SORRY, for the long post.

On Wed Mar 21 09:25:07 2001 Me (Did you ever) said:
Did you ever have one of those days, the days when you start a routine and are going about it like you are as normal as anyone and have no cares to sidetrack you, the feeling of freedom from daily pressures and constraints of an otherwise rather structured lifestyle, seemingly not a care in the world when it suddenenly hits you? Wow I got diabetes and I haven't tested or taken my shot. You completely forgot, and that moment as you look back seemed to be just wonderful, although short in time, it brought back something that's just a faint memory of what it was like without a routine to fuss over. These moments are few but when they happen its your only remaining reminder of another lifestyle gone by and saddly now out of your reach. Ah, the good old day's are but fading as I am forgetting how they were. A cure would be a chore to relearn how it was...Before the testing, before the shots, before....

On Wed Mar 21 07:43:29 2001 Jim (jimfultz@alltel.net) said:
Good morning everyone. Fasting bs on the weekends and Monday morning average about 95. During the rest of the week average fasting 125. Job related? Alberto- Hang around, ask questions. We all can learn alot from each other. Marc W.- Overall, are you happy with the pump now? No absorbing problems? Jim

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